Hi guys - still lurking and glad to see that the conversations are generally more civil again. Ghosthouse, I want to respond to your yin-yang comparison of Frogman and Orpheus. I will state first that I also do not doubt that Orpheus accurately judged the audience reaction, etc., and I also want to say that I very much appreciate his stories - they are great contributions to this thread. This post is not about either of those things.
I just want to say that they are not yin/yang, or two sides of the same coin. This would imply that they have the same knowledge/understanding, but different approaches/outlooks, if either is the right word. But this is simply not the case. Although they both unquestionably love music, one has studied it extensively all his life and has made it his profession (and very successfully so!), and writes about it very clearly. The other has openly expressed contempt for the very idea of studying music, and has no real understanding of how it works. However, he seems to think that the fact that he loves it so much gives him the same kind of authority in speaking about it. He has every right to think that, and write whatever he wants to here, and I have told him I am not going to argue with him anymore about the subject, or attempt to educate him anymore (though I do admire Frogman's efforts, and they are far more successful than mine were). This basic difference is the source of the unfortunate ill-humor you speak of, and why they cannot be considered yin and yang. It is a shame. But, despite some of the rancor expressed here from time to time, this is still the best long-running thread on this site. I have learned a great deal here, and I'm sure will continue to as long as it lasts, and I very much appreciate Orpheus as the originator of this thread.