Speaking of jamming, this is unbelievable! How does one explain genius?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-on4qQYDGVA
Rahsaan is on fire. Tete, brilliant as usual.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-on4qQYDGVA
Rahsaan is on fire. Tete, brilliant as usual.
Jazz for aficionados
Speaking of jamming, this is unbelievable! How does one explain genius? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-on4qQYDGVA Rahsaan is on fire. Tete, brilliant as usual. |
Rok, I don't disagree with you except for two things. First is that I don't believe one ever knows too much. Or, at least, don't assume that knowing means there's no jamming :-) . The second, well.... its really not worthy of disagreement; it's personal preference. Tito's version is better for you. Of course, that is cool. For me the original is better not because its the original, but because I like and appreciate the chamber-jazz feel of it, the coolness if you will; and Desmond, that sound.....! Cheers. |
The Frogman: I agree with your comments on scatting. I was trying to say some what the same thing about Dee Dee. Her voice becomes harsh when she does it. With some singers, it has become the 'obligatory' scat break. Most often, adding nothing to the performance. Ella was in another league and I thought she could 'solo' with players. Not all perhaps, but certainly some. It's almost unfair to compare anyone to her. Cheers |
I told The Frogman some time ago, that he knew too much. This proves it. While The O-10 and I were jamming to Tito, in blissful ignorance, The Frogman was keeping time. Of course he is correct. But, no one is suggesting Tito's version supplant Brubeck. The original will always be just that, The First! But it is possible for susequent artist to do any tune 'better'. Happens every day. Better recording techniques, better instrumentation, better arrangements, better players etc... I think Tito is better not because of any time uniqueness, but because of the Latin flavor and the percussion. It was faster! It made me wanna move! Brubeck never made me move. It was a Nice tune, melody, a great drum solo and Desmond's tone. I know the TIME thingy, but that's not why I like it. I suspect, only the pros and his peers, realized the significance of the TIME thing. And last but not least, I could SEE Tito and his guys playing. On a CD, I might not have been as impressed. But both versions are great. I own LPs and two CDs of 'Take Five' by Brubeck, none by Tito. Brubeck did a lot of experiments with time. Some more successful than others. 'Take Five' was popular because of the melody and the unique sax(tone) and drum playing. So can we say, I like Tito's "take Four', better than Brubeck's 'Take Five'. Sort of like preferring Mongo Santa Maria's 'cloud Nine' to any other. Brubeck's version is on the local PBS FM station's playlist. When it comes on, the wife cranks the volume all the way up. The only Jazz tune she likes. :) I wonder what Tito could do with 'Blue Rondo A La Turk' I bet that would be something! Thanks for your informed input Frogman. You are a vital asset to this thread. Cheers |
The challenge for singers when they scat is that, no matter what, they will be judged according to the standard set by the great instrumentalists; those are VERY big shoes to fill. Only a handful of singers, Ella being at the top of the heap, even approach the fluency of good instrumental improvisers in the harmonic language of jazz. They usually simply gloss over the complexity of the harmonic changes of a tune. Among instrumentalists speaking about other instrumentalists, that limited command of the harmony is usually referred to as "bullshitting". A smart singer keeps scatting to a minimum. Re "Take Five": Tito's version is great; very exciting. Like Rok says "a really right Latin Jazz band is hard to beat". Thanks for the link. But, and not meaning to, in the least, take away from the enthusiasm that my esteemed fellow aficionados have for this cover of this classic tune, for me there is no way Tito's version can supplant the original as the definitive version. Most importantly, they are almost not even the same tune. The melody is the same; almost. What makes Desmond's (he wrote it) "Take Five" unique and ground breaking, particularly for the era when it was written, is that it was written in odd-meter; in five, of course. I don't kow if anyone noticed, but Tito's version is IN FOUR !!!! It should more correctly be titled "Take Four". Still, a great and exciting cover. |
John Handy is an artist I don't think we've mentioned. Consistency is not his dominant trait; I'm not referring to whether or not he was good this time and bad the next, but his choice of what music to play seemed to be all over the map. Here are some of his works in my collection that get a lot of play. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeQv3cWJnxA Here's a spiritual tune by John; although not as in the gospel sense, it's spiritual still. The title "if Only We Knew" convey's the intention of this music. It's best listened to in the middle of the night after waking up and trying to go back to sleep. It's long and deep, in that eastern spiritual sense; too long for the Gon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhp43v-yd8 As far as where he ranked as a reed man, we'll leave that to the Frogman. Enjoy the music. |
O-10: 'Take Five' by Tito Puente. WOW!! Dave who???? I like this better than the Brubeck version. A really tight Latin Jazz band is just hard to beat. The percussion was awesome. I have said before that I think the drum solo on Brubeck's 'Take Five' is one of the few drum solos in Jazz that does not distract or interupt the flow of the music. Well, Tito has surpassed that. Paul Desmond and Joe Morrello can now move aside. This tune has been taken away from them. For some reason after hearing this, I think the Brubeck tune should have been Latin. Or maybe it was. Great clip. Cheers |
O-10: The Leon Thomas version was good. A lot slower tempo than either Dee Dee or Silver. His 'scatting' sounded as if he was trying to scat while being smothered with a pillow. But it was a nice take on the song. I wish he had dressed for the occasion. I have several CDs by Dee Dee. The Tribute to Silver is her best work. IMO. Not a weak track on the disc. However, when she scats, it sounds just a little bit strained or forced. With Ella, it was as if the song was written that way. So effortless. I think it's very hard to be a great Jazz Diva. We have / had, so few. Cheers |
Rok, as much as I like Dee Dee, I don't like the way she treats the standards; while I admire her ability to scat, she does it too much on the standards. Now here's a tune where it's very appropriate; as a matter of fact, I like everything she does on this CD. Here, she can do no wrong, and I'm sure Horace Silver would agree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otcHh-90eo4 Here's another version of that same song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh7aZ_Q6ibw&list=RD02otcHh-90eo4 Enjoy the music. |
Tubegroover, in appreciation of your appreciation (from Tete Montoliu, one of my favorite piano players and one who seldom gets talked about): http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hfj8Ks9pU3s and speaking of Cuban music: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TKB5Pv4SUu8 |
Oyez, Oyez!! Wynton Marsalis Septet -- IN THIS HOUSE, ON THIS MORNING Could have been named 'in church in Nawlins'. The music takes you through an entire service. Said 'home' to me. Is it a stretch to say that Wynton is the Ellington of this era? I don't think so. His talent runs deeper than just Jazz. His can write music that 'depicts', in your mind, things, places and moods. Not just any player can do that. You will love this Jazz CD. Esp, if you have ever set foot in a Southern Church. What about my man, Wycliffe Gordon!! He is the trombone player, and he is great. I remember him from the Blues CD with Wynton & Clapton. This is a 2 CD set. I listened to both in one sitting. For me that's saying a lot. I get bored easily with music that does not connect with me. Guest appearance by the Gospel Great, Marion Williams. If you like good Jazz music, you gotta have it. One of Wynton's best. He could be the most under-rated and under-appreciated Jazz player ever. Give it a listen! Cheers |
O-10, thanks for the Shadowfax link. I like it; it's not the kind of thing that I would go out of my way to listen to, but I like it. I am not a big fan of music with that "New Age/World Music" vibe; just a personal preference. It's a pretty melody and the playing is good; but..... the tune needs a good "bridge" to break up the sense of too much repetition. I can imagine, after the melody is repeated once, a variation on the melody in a double-time feel. Notice how the drums and bass play in a half-time feel throughout while the keyboards suggest a double-time feel. It would have been very effective if after the first repetition of the melody, all the instruments would break into a double-time feel playing the variation and then return to the original feel and melody to the end. The tune made me think of this other tune which, for me, pushes similar buttons, but is "kicked up quite a few notches": http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9kW-8NPqs&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DsF9kW-8NPqs |
'Mambo Kings' was a wonderful book made into a so-so movie. The book, while being fiction, was centered on the very real NY 'Mambo King' era of the '50's and actually had a scene were the book's characters went to Hollywood to be featured on 'I Love Lucy', she was married to one of the true Mambo Kings, Desi Arnaz. Loved the book. RIP Oscar! |
Today's Listen: Dee Dee Bridgewater -- LIVE AT YOSHI'S Bridgewater(v), Thomas Bramerie(b), Ali Jackson(d), Thierry Eliez(p) Recorded Live at Yoshi's in Oakland,CA 1998. This would have been Ella Fitzgerald's 80th Birthday. 9 Songs. 8 Standards. She did a, mercifully short, fun take on James Brown's 'sex machine'. She even tried to sing it as she thought Ella would have sung it!! Some things are best left to Brown! This was a probably a great show to see in person. There was just too much going on that had to be seen to be appreciated. Too much talk and attempts at humor. All the listener gets is the audience's reaction, with no idea of what is being done on stage. Ok, the first time around, a little tedious with repeated listening. A great version of 'Midnight Sun'. The rest were good but not 'must haves'. The group backing her was very good. Esp the Bass player. Quite a bit of scatting. Not up to Ella's standard, but she has spoiled us all. Dee Dee has a good voice but she cannot do it as effortless as Ella. But who could? Bridgewater just might be the best of the Jazz Divas still performing. She does love her work! Very Good, but not great CD. Make sure you have her 'tribute to horace silver: Love and Peace' first. Cheers |
Oscar Hijuelos Dead: Pulitzer-Winning Novelist Dies At 62 "The Mambo Kings Play Songs Of Love" Was the title of the Novel that won him the prize He was Cuban and a New Yorker. I wonder if he was also into Cuban music. The book's title and all. Perhaps The Frogman is familiar with his work and can offer insight. Cheers |
Frogman, what do you think of this, it's from "Shadowfax" "Dreams of Children" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9CLBGBuOhU Enjoy the music. |
Rok, although I hate to go from "jazz" to other issues, this time I must. While I like gospel, that CD "Say Amen Somebody", and my fond memories of what St. Louis was like at that time, the demise of St. Louis, ain't about "The Lord", it's about greedy people who sucked the money out of everybody's pockets, and left them poverty stricken, as can be illustrated on this website. http://wp.me/p2vRlu-4 |
O-10: ******she was born in Mississippi****** well, everyone who became anyone, was! :) *****St. Louis was an entirely different city, it was a good place to live then; but the same thing can be said for most of the cities in this country.******* I know what you mean. You can surely add Atlanta to that list. It's what happens when The Lord is absent from people's lives. They now put their faith in the Government! You know the government, they are the folks that gave us the 'Great Society' :( We may never recover from that lunacy! Cheers |
Rok, she's from St. Louis. Although she was born in Mississippi, St. Louis is where she became famous, and her star is on the St. Louis walk of fame. I recall seeing the video on PBS with her and Thomas Dorsey; that was when St. Louis was an entirely different city, it was a good place to live then; but the same thing can be said for most of the cities in this country. Enjoy the music. |
Don't ever go to a Baptist church without a hanky. You will no be allowed to leave until you cry! This is one of the major stops along the road to Bird, Miles, Mingus, Armstrong, and all others. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSGkFwL77k&list=PL75E5DDF1FCBFC225 I think these folks are from up St Louis way. Cheers |
Here's something for those who want gospel in their jazz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZzN3HZXHC4 Enjoy the music. |
Today's Listen: Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers -- 3 BLIND MICE VOL 1 Blakey(d), Freddie Hubbard(t), Curtis Fuller(tb), Wayne Shorter(ts), Cedar Walton(p), Jymie Merritt(b) One of the best Messenger lineups ever. Since Blakey always had some of the best players avalabile in the Messengers, it was almost impossible to make anything other than a very good record. As the liner note allude to, the personnel changed so often, the playing never got stale or boring. Some recordings are more essential than others, but all are worth having. This one is not a 'must have', but it is a very enjoyable CD. All the arrangements are by the band member themselves. All too good to choose a favorite. Recorded Live at the Renaissance Club, Hollywood in March 1962. Mercy me, they actually recorded music outside of NYC!!! Give it a listen. Good stuff. I will do Vol 2, later. Cheers |
This is one of the most beautiful albums ever made; Bill Evans, and Toots Thielman "Affinity". Toots said this is his best work, and as many fantastic works as he has produced, that's saying a lot. Here's my favorite cut on that fantastic album, "Sno Peas". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBM8h41w8i4 Enjoy the music. |
Mitch4t, "Ceora" is one of my favorites, by my favorite trumpet player. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECw3WAX41OA Enjoy the music. |
Today's Very Pleasant Surprise: Alvin Batiste -- LATE Alvin Batiste(clarinet), Kenny Barron(p), Rufus Reid(b), Herman Jackson(d) All of these players are also in the field of music education. Batiste at Southern University and Barron at Rutgers University in NJ. But all teach somewhere. I have had this one a while also. Batiste is supposed to be an Avant-Garde player, but not on this set. He has also played with Ray Charles back in the day. The Avant-Garde and Ray, just does not seem to mix. Also a few dates with Cannonball. But education is his main gig now. 7 tunes. 'Body and Soul' and a very unique 'when the saints go marching in', among them. ALL are just wonderful. This is a CD with no weak tracks. The playing is simply wonderful. This could have been named Batiste and Barron. I am more impressed with kenny the more I hear him. Here they compliment each other perfectly. This CD is already in the clutches of 'these sellers', but they are only asking $1.49 for it new. Hmmmmmm That's like being kidnapped and held for a 20 dollar ransom. Anyway, great playing great tunes. You know you want it! So get it! Cheers |
In case anyone is interested. As I said before, this features some of Lew's very best work. Definitely worth owning. And sealed! http://www.ebay.com/itm/FREDDIE-HUBBARD-SWEET-RETURN-SEALED-ALBUM-/390675478669?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5af612b88d |
Rok, I don't know if anyone can appreciate Monk anytime and every time. I recall going to an all night grill between midnight and daylight where we spiked our coffee, and they had a lot of Monk on the juke box; for whatever reason, me and everyone else seemed to be in tune with Monk at that odd hour. The background chatter on this CD reminded me of that grill. I was referring to the CD "Desert Lady" which is not the same as "Desert Lady/ Fantasy"; consequently, I had to listen to the latter in order to refresh the sound in my mind, and it was quite a treat. There are so many saxophones on this CD, I couldn't tell who was playing what, but since they were all good....... Bass Trombone was certainly impressive; that was Tim Newman from the way I read the CD. In regard to really hearing, and listening to this CD, it was the first time for the both of us. Since this is Toshiko's Jazz Orchestra, it's quite different from Lew Tabackin's "Desert Lady". This is not Part I, and Part II, but two entirely different CD's; consequently, if you ain't got "Desert Lady", you got to git it. Enjoy the music. |
HUGE +1 on Lew Tabackin! Incredible musician, while I own a few of his solo projects I must own at least a dozen records by the Akiyoshi/Tabackin Big Band. IMO their best recording (although they've made quite a few stellar records!) would be 'Long Yellow Road', simply amazing! Another huge +1 on Conrad Herwig. Got a buncha records featuring him also. Coincidentally, less than 24 hrs ago I got the latest by pianist Bill O'Connell, 'Zocalo', a smokin' Latin Jazz record featuring Herwig & Steve Slagle on horns. When I was listening to it I actually thought to myself that Herwig's playing sounds better than ever, truly a musician that's currently at the top of his game! |
Frogman, "He is a classically trained flutist and is widely recognized as one of the very best, certainly the best living, flute "doublers". A "doubler" with jazz talent, that's super impressive, and it explains why we can't get enough of his flute. Thanks for this new information on Mr. Lew Tabackin, and if you see him tell about his new fans on Audiogon. Enjoy the music. |
By popular demand?? :) Toshiko Ankiyoshi Jazz Orch -- DESERT LADY / FANTASY featuring Lew Tabackin Acman3 asked why are so many great players and great music overlooked in the Jazz world. This recording is proof that great players and music can be overlooked sitting right in front of a person on his CD rack. Since O-10 and The Frogman were in such a rant, I thought I would see/hear what all the fuss is about. I got this CD soon after it's release (1994). Listened to it for a few minutes, and back on the shelf it went. Wrong place and time, both in a physical and emotional sense. I have learned that over the years, so I never sell or throw out any Cd. I might listen at the correct time, and / or grow into it later. WOW! You are spot on about Tabackin. Well constructed solos. I am amazed at how he goes from the highest to lowest notes of the instrument with such ease. He spends a lot of time in the lowest register / octave. And he can play the flute. His tone is great. The notes are round and clear without all the buzzing / spitting sound you hear with a lot of flute players. This band is very together. Very tight playing on all tracks. Great arrangements. The brass players have excellent tone also. I could not pick a favorite track. They are all exceptional. 'Be-bop' was the perfect tune to close things out. They were so tight, it could have been two people playing. This is not the first time someone on this thread has opened my eyes to music I already own. That's why I like it so. As The Frogman said, I said, ain't got it? Git it! Lord, I almost forgot to mention the Trombone player Conrads Herwig. Awesome playing on the title track. Cheers |
Orpheus10, you could not be more correct; Lew Tabackin is most certainly an underrated player. Lew has been one of the heroes of the NY scene for a long time and I know him personally, having recently been part of a project that recreated Henry Mancini's scores for "Peter Gunn" on which Lew was the featured soloist. A Harmonia Mundi CD release of the project is scheduled for early 2014. http://www.jazzpromoservices.com/jazz-news/harmonie-ensemble-new-york-steve-richman-conductor-with-lew-tabackin-lew-soloff-the-music-from-peter-gunn-weds-june-1-2011-at-100-p-m-st-peter’s-church/ Lew is a beautiful and exuberant tenor player with a notable Sonny Rollins influence. Heard live one immediately notices his HUGE sound and "take no prisoners" approach. He is a classically trained flutist and is widely recognized as one of the very best, certainly the best living, flute "doublers". You will notice that his style on flute has a subtle Eastern influence; probably the result of having been the featured soloist and co-leader in his wife Toshiko's big band, for which she wrote material some of which has an unabashed Eastern (Japanese) flavor. Some of my favorite playing by Lew is on Freddie Hubbard's recording "Sweet Return"; highly recommended, and as Rok says "gotta get it". |
Genius! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ9El7k4mNo Rouse sounds amazing! And no, one can't have too much Monk. "Misterioso" is a great record. Griffin is fabulous, and one of my favorite tenor players. Still, there's something about the way that Rouse seems to get inside Monk's musical head that is almost creepy. |
Thelonious Monk -- MISTERIOSO Monk(p), Johnny Griffin(ts), Ahmed Abdul Malik(b), Roy Haynes(d) Typical complex simplicity from Monk. Recorded Live At The Five Spot Cafe, NYC Aug 1958, which makes it a little over 55 years ago! WOW! I still think of these guys in the present tense. Great music, mostly Monk's tunes, and great playing, esp from Johnny Griffin. This could easily have been his CD. This being pre-Rouse. The audience is there but barely heard. Not obtrusive at all. One complaint: On the title track 'Misterioso', we have Monk in the middle, the drums and sax in the left speaker and the poor bass by itself in the right speaker. I had not heard, or been aware of, my speakers for ages, until this. When Griffin took a solo, all the sound came from the left speaker. This only happened on this track. The rest of the recording was good. But, it's Monk, and that's more than good enough! This was recorded at the same time as another Monk recording 'Monk in Action" Both on Riverside label. Do you need it? Can an 'aficionado' have too much Monk? Check out the 'complete riverside' CD box set. Cheers |
*****I have to identify everything by the sound and my knowledge of the music.***** Sort like the old DownBeat thingy. I was always amazed at how often the guest artist got it right. Yours sounds like an interesting method. I used to listen in the dark back in the day. I liked the Sansui light show!! Now I am not so fond of stereo equipment lights. Even the power light seems to irritate me. Blues and the Abstract Truth sounds great no matter the lighting. One of the best. I could probably pick out Louis Armstrong and Billie Holiday, from anyone else. That's about it. :) Cheers |
Frogman, here's an outstanding artist you should be familiar with who no one has mentioned. "Desert Lady" is the CD I've chosen to illustrate his talents. The Lew Tabackin quartet on this CD features: Hank Jones, piano; Dave Holland, bass; and Victor Lewis, drums. While I like the entire CD, "Pyramid" is one of the cuts that's special to me. Lew Tabackin's haunting flute opens this number with an oriental mood that evokes far away places with strange sounding names. The cuts on this CD alternate between "laid back", and really cookin with a high "jump factor". Between the "laid back" cuts, and those with a high "jump factor" is where me and Rok differ, I prefer the former, while he's more in tune to the latter; but this CD has enough for the both of us. Unfortunately, I couldn't find that particular CD on "Youtube", but this one which features Lew and Toshiko Akiyoshi is reminiscent of that CD; fortunately, I have both. Here's Lew's fantasic flute, on "Desert Lady/ Fantasy"; you can't go wrong with both CD's. I would like your professional opinion in regard to "Lew Tabackin", who I feel is an under rated artist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JvUQeelTwc Enjoy the music. |
The best way to listen is in total darkness, and not even know who you're hearing. When the program list is running the music, I have to identify everything by the sound and my knowledge of the music. When I heard this trumpet that stood out from all other trumpets, it attracted my attention; as I became drawn into the music, each instrument seemed to be the best I'd heard. Normally you have an idea of what you're going to hear before the first note hits your ear, and since you have the CD or LP in hand, you also know who the artists are; but listening in total darkness without this information, means you have to identify everything by ear. I identified the music as "Stolen Moments" from Oliver Nelson's "Blues And The Abstract Truth". Although this music has been in my collection for ages, I couldn't identify the artists by name from the sound of their instruments, as impressive as each individual artist was. I can tell you this, I was in for a surprise when I identified the artists. Although every note they played was spectacular on this tune, none of them was my favorite artist, even though they were all well known. The sum total meaning of all of this is; every well known jazz artist has recorded a spectacular solo, you just have to find it. The artists were: Oliver Nelson, tenor sax; Paul Chambers, Bass; Eric Dolphy, flute; Bill Evans, piano; Roy Haynes, drums; Freddie Hubbard, trumpet; and George Barrow, baritone sax. Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I could live without the commentary as well, but it's recorded on something I have. In regard to organizing, that's something I dread even attempting, let my heirs organize. Acman3, I sold some Cedar Walton LP's and a CD at what I thought was a good price; as it turns out, I regret every LP I ever sold. Enjoy the music. |
***** need to get a list on computer and organize my LP's and CD's, but that would be work. ;)***** Acman3, you are right about that. I did my Jazz, Classical and Blues and then decided that the rest, (pop, gospel, Christmas and Opera) weren't worth the trouble. I just used the database thingy that comes with MS Works. Feel free to comment on anything at anytime. Time is of no consequence. I would love to try the Eastern Rebellion CDs, but the prices on Amazon are in the hands of 'these sellers'. $136 new, and $563 for Eastern Rebellion 2. I'll try looking elsewhere or for a greatest hits thingy. Cedar Walton is worth the effort. 'Hype', IMO, is the main answer to your question about overlooked gems. Most of us are so busy going gaga over the 'Royalty' of Jazz i.e Miles, Trane, etc... we often overlook a lot of talent. This is esp unfair because, often times the Royals have no clothes on. Cheers |