Killing BluRay, new Oppo BR 83


OK, I have been vocal on these forums with my opinion that BluRay is a short term media, and will not become the dominant media format. My reason:

1) There is not a mind blowing difference in BluRay quality
over the existing domintant format of DVD. That's not to say BluRay is not better, but it's not the difference between VHS and DVD, where you couldn't believe what you were seeing. Does it look and sound better, yes. Does it change your life, no. Especially with the quality of the upconverting DVD players available.

2) Given my first point, I don't think there is a big call to replace any purchased DVD's with BluRay. Any videophile who had a bunch of VHS tapes did that immeadiately with DVD, but why do it again? Basically the same disk, great sound, and small size, with excellent picture. I don't think that investment is going to be made again, and that means the market for BluRay discs is MUCH smaller for classic movies.

3) The advenet of internet based movie downloads is already available in HD. Granted, it's only 720 and no HD soundtracks, but does anyone believe that is not coming, and quickly. I love using my AppleTV to rent movies, never leave the house, and don't have to return. Honestly, I have bought a bunch of movies that way, since I have such a big network storage capacity. I think this will be the dominant AV format going forward, both movies and music. More high res video and music available faster. I believe that the rise in the market for outboard DAC's will become even greater, and they will have he ability to decode the new higher res music, and possible video soundtracks in surround. Output to analog preamps for Audiophile grade sound will become the norm for audiophiles, or hybrid HT/2 channel systems, as is becoming the norm.

I whole-heartedly believe this since recieving my new Oppo BluRay player. It is a great player, and it's the second BluRay I have had in my system so it just has re-inforced my previous hypothosis regarding the future of BluRay. Don't get me wrong, the player is STELLAR in every way. Considering the price, it's almost criminal especially on SACD and DVD-Audio (which I have not had any of the problems that the first firmware owners had). I have not gotten to use it as a CD transport yet, I am waiting on one of Paul G's (TubeAudioDesign) new DACs and the redbook CD sound on it's own was just OK.

That said, after watching several movies in both BluRay and DVD on the same player, the difference is just not that huge. It is better, but not enough to make me run out and buy any of those movies again on BluRay. It's the difference, to me, between the Magnepan 3.6 and 20.1. It's definitely better, but they are both excellent.

OK, those are my thoughts, FWIW.

I came to these conclusion
macdadtexas
OK, I just downloaded a video my kids wanted to see that I couldn't find on DVD or iTunes from Amazon. It downloaded in 30 minutes in HD (only 720) and watched it on both the computer, and was able to get it onto my 52" Sony LCD through the network pretty quickly.

That is the death of discs. Just as downloads are the death of CD's.

I think people will still buy vinyl, but I can't see any reason to use a disc anymore for a movie. Rent it online through your cable/satellite company, or Roku or AppleTV.

I won't post to this thread anymore, I am beating a dead horse. But, every day I believe that my original contention that BluRay will not become a dominant media format has already come true.

For those of you thinking about buying disc players of any kind, spend the money on a good DAC, or more media storage (for Movies) instead.
Macdadtexas , So you were able to download a 720p video and standard audio from the internet in 30 minutes.
Big Deal.
Thats not Blu Ray quality!!

I am still going to rent Blu Ray discs and play them in full 1080P and fantastic surround sound on my Oppo Blu Ray.
Macdadtexas,

So what you are saying is that the downloads are good enough for you now, and that it will probably be good enough for everyone else soon... end of (your) story.

I honestly think that there is a lot of work needed to make high quality downloads as user friendly as plopping a disk into a player and pushing the "play" button. The downloaded audio is nowhere near the same level of resolution as BluRay, where the difference can even be detected by non-audiophiles listening to very modest Theater-in-a-Box BluRay systems, let alone listening to the Oppo or higher level players feeding a modest to extravagant audiophile system.

But the real issue here is video quality and many more people are able to detect and care about differences in video resolution compared with audio resolution, why I think BluRay has a better chance in the marketplace vs downloads than SACD vs iTunes. For now, BluRay is 50% higher video resolution (1080p) than what is available from downloads (720p at best), noticeable even on modest sized HD screens (except I will grant you that the smaller Pioneer plasma screens at 720p have such great color and image depth, you might forgive them their lower level of resolution).

For the occasional viewer of movies, a decent 40" or larger screen with a BluRay in-a-Box theater system, both available from Costco for well under $1500, playing a BluRay disk will provide the highest level of enjoyment per ongoing $ invested hands down - without the added HD download subscription costs. Increase the quality of the playback components from there and BluRay totally kicks a$$. The question you will ask is - who cares?

I suggest that the combination of familiar technology (disk and player versus download and local storage) and noticeably higher video performance will create a useful product life cycle for BluRay. Interestingly, the BluRay format will likely receive the greatest support, at least initially, from opposite ends of the consumer spectrum. High level consumers who want the very best audio and video performance will or have already opted in, and those entry level consumers who are least comfortable with computers, networks and online services or who don't want or can't afford the extra expense of HD downloads services will choose BluRay. What I will call here the "iPhone generation" will gravitate to downloads first because they are A) comfortable with networks, downloads and attracted to shiny new gadgets and formats, B) accepting of low resolution video and audio as long as they can get it "NOW", and C) tolerant of or oblivious to exorbitant monthly subscription charges.

Finally, even if the majority of people eventually go to downloads as the preferred source for regular viewing, they will want a system to view disks and share media (it is less rewarding to wrap a gift certificate with a download code and put it under the tree in December) and with DVDs being replaced on store shelves with BluRay disks, that will be the format used for fixed media going forward into the foreseeable future.
I think movie download will have the same issue DIVX had. After a while the companies will want more money. They will start adding date codes to the downloads. People downloading will have so much time to watch what they download then they will have to pay to watch it again at a later date.
If you loose the harddrive and want the movie again you may have to pay again. If someone hacks codes the companies will start sueing people like they are for CD downloads. Keep very good records of your download purchases. All they need is your name from another computer good or bad to come and take all you have. If I have an original disk they can do nothing.