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"As @patrickdowns touched upon briefly with instrument placement I don’t see why so many here look for which instrument is where in a song. Are there more genres than classical orchestras that play music in such a way? Does most everyone here listen only to classical music? Surely it doesn’t matter as much in a studio where everyone is standing? And the sound is in the hands of the engineers anyway. With classical music being a small part of the world of music I fail to see the importance of what instrument is where in a song. I have some classical music in my Qobuz library and it sounds good but I really just want the music I like to listen to to sound great and not worry about what is where. Am I missing something to listen for that would improve my listening experience ? I listen to 60s 70s 80s 90s etc."

I do find it important as to where instruments are placed in the sound field and want to hear them in their "chosen" position. Case in point.

Thanks for your reply ...

But sorry you miss my point completely...

This then reveal the general audiophile misunderstandings about acoustics concepts reduced to mere room acoustic panels...

I was stating that no system, or room for that matter, can reproduce something that is not embedded in the recording to start with. There is no magic.

First the gear system reproduce bits or electrical weaves, but your speakers coupled to the room/ears TRANSLATE these acoustic waves in acoustic information about the initial recording trade off using the parameters of your ears and the parameters of your HTRF and your location and the parameters of your acoustic room content .

What was recorded were chosen acoustics parameters resulting from a trade-off choice by the mics type and location , not bits and electrical waves in which they were encoded, what was recorded by the recording engineer trade off choices need to be acoustically translated in a correct acoustical balance and under controls in your room for your ears.

Then even a good system in a bad room will not translate all the spatial characterics of the sound even if they are POTENTIALLY there in the coded bits or electrical and mechanical waves of the vinyl, ask Dr. Edgar Choueiri not mahgister... 😊

And yes when all is done right magic exist...

Why do you think i am happy ? Not because of my gear price tags 😁 but because of the way i embedded and modify it to optimally translate for my specific Ears and HTRF what is recorded ... It is not perfect but very good ratio S.Q. /cost...

There is magic...It is called acoustics... There is magic... It is called music well translated in my room...

When i came here more than 8 years ago i was confused... It is only by acoustics experiments that i could figure out how to install my system and how to cure upgraditis ignorance .. Before upgrading we must learn basic... Nobody claimed that elementary truth for me in audio forums... They all sell their favorite gear as solution...

It is not because most people cannot afford the time and the necessary free room to experiment that the truth must be banned ... 😊

Acoustics concepts rule audio (not mere acoustic panels) not price tags ...

Magic happen with  acoustics when coupled with the synergetical gear design  ...

@toddalin 

How can one know what the chosen position of instruments is? Do you know where the instruments are supposed to be on the stage in every song you ever listen to? 
 

Regards 

Yes! The chosen position of the instrument/vocal is supposed to be exactly where the engineer placed it in the soundstage and you should be able to discern this location/position. It makes no difference whether it is real or contrived, so long as it is what was intended. In the L&M cut, you should be able to hear the musicians as if they are spaced out in a room infront of you each occupying his own space and not as a "wall" of sound.

@mahgister  Please answer this simple question.  A recording of a trio.  Guitar, Bass and Sax.  The recording engineer has mixed the final tape to have all three mics/instruments playing an equal signal from left and right channel.  This puts the sound of the recording with all three instruments in the center of the stage.  Are you claiming there is any stereo equipment or room treatment, or combination of each that will produce a playback in my listening room where the three instruments are spread out across the room, and for good measure, the sax is in the center and five feet in front of the guitar and bass? That is what I called into question with the statement, if it's not on the recording, it's not in your listening room.  Cheers.