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Low gain preamp options

I’ve read lots of preamp suggestion threads and discussions on amp matching. I don’t know what percentage of people have digital only systems, but it seems like there is a missing niche for preamps.

Most DACs have at least a 2V output which exceeds the input sensitivity of most amps. So unlike a phono input there isn’t a real need for gain in most cases. The problem with a passive preamp is some amps don’t have high enough input impedance. Also a preamp allows longer cable runs (if needed). Then there’s the whole tube warmth or tone that some people are so fond of in taming perceived digital harshness.

I’ve read about lots of tube preamps, but even the low gain ones are still in the 10dB range. It would be nice to have a useful amount of volume adjustment instead of silent to too loud with just a wiggle.

The only unit that comes to mind that’s even close is a Schiit Saga+, but it seems like even mid-fi systems should be able to do better. Don’t get me wrong, I’m using one now. It’s great for $400, but at some point it’s going to become the weak link in my system (if it isn’t already). 

List of desired features:
<6dB gain 
<500 ohm output impedance
tubed output
at least 2 sets of outputs
balanced in/out optional

Anything out there that fits the bill?

cat_doorman
tablejockey
3,919 posts
 
This  polarizing brand in threads, appeared to have checked of all of your requirements, but I see it does have 10db gain. So if 4dbs extra  doesn't cut it-nevermind(as Emily Latella would say)
https://www.primaluna-usa.com/primaluna-evo-400r-tube-preamplifier

all tube(including rectifier-dual mono)
even lower output impedance
balanced in/out(unknown if it's wired as "real balanced or faux, as some) 
2 sets of outputs

cat_doorman OP
237 posts
 
@verdantaudio it’s premature to start quoting custom equipment. I’m still trying to see what standard units are available.

@tablejockey the recent thread on the EVO400 volume control did give me some concern and prompted this thread. Previously I figured I’d be okay with anything under 12dB of gain, but I’m starting to have doubts, especially if I go with even more efficient speakers (>100dB).
armstrod
613 posts
 
How about something like this:

https://www.decware.com/newsite/zbox.htm

Steve might be able to do it with two outputs.
terlenka
8 posts
 
Van Alstine's tube preamp might be close to what you're seeking with a "low gain" toggle�. One review gives the standard gain as 20dB, but they don't say what it is with the low gain in use. Output impedance is either 560 or 600, so a bit above your desired specs.

https://avahifi.com/collections/preamplifiers/products/fet-valve-cf-slr-preamplifier

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daledeee1
572 posts
 
I just went through this with my system.  I was running direct from DAC to amp but the digital volume was unpredictable and appears to "bit strip" in some cases.  It does not sound right unless you turn it up.  I also can get quite loud volume without the preamp.  So this leads me to believe a passive will work.  My amp has 50 kohms input resistance.

I talked to Roy Mottram at tubes4hifi.  We are going to try a buffered passive preamp.  It will be one of his stock preamps without the gain tubes.  I can run volume only or tube buffer and if that doesn't work right we can add a small amount of gain.  He also sells a Chinese preamp that has 6 dB of gain for $500.  The one I am getting is a custom SP12.  I will be receiving it next week. 

Regardless  there are several vendors mentioned that can do this.  PS  Decware is 6 months out, last I knew.   I am getting mine in about a month. 
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