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millercarbon you really nailed this comment well.

“What happened was we stopped listening and started measuring“

I have the exact problem dealing with this in the telescope industry. What happened is they stopped observing and started measuring.

Now we have amateur astronomers who think they know more than they really do. 

To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

No amount of measurements will ever give you the ability to look at the night sky and visualize your place in the cosmos. The phase of the moon shows you where the sun is, the planets glide along the ecliptic through their seasons, and if it is dark enough and the sky clear enough you can see the Coal Sack Nebula in our own galaxy the Milky Way. Something hardly anyone ever gets to see any more, thanks to air and light pollution, but if you ever do it sure sticks with you. 

Trying to live pretending you get this because you looked up some numbers in a book is like pretending you have good sound because your mic and DSP tells you so.

I was pals with Al George back when he was building his observatory in the 1970's. https://www.tas-online.org/about.php All gone now I guess, along with Al, but what a time we had!

They are analytical, not warm and not my cup of tea. They are also way overpriced. So you get some fancy vu meters, big deal, those get old after a while and then you gotta live with that sound. Sugden is way better and cheaper. Yea, no flashy meters, but smooth, warm, and inviting sound. It says, sit down and listen for a long time. 

millercarbon you really nailed this comment well.

“What happened was we stopped listening and started measuring“

I have never heard of anyone who chose an amp by measuring it rather than listening to it.  Have you guys?  I think the testing gear would be extremely expensive and require a lot of education to properly operate.

I think amp designers and manufacturers should measure the equipment they build.  I would not buy one that had been built without any measurements.  How it sounds is what counts in the end, but it helps to get where you want to go if you have some idea of what's causing the sound you hear. 

I'm sure that Luxman, Rogue and Sugden products are measured extensively before they are put into production.

millercarbon8,246 posts03-21-2021 10:27pmIt is not me you disagree with, it is literally the definition. That's why I say don't take my word for it, look it up. Your disagreement then is with reality. I know nowadays we each are supposed to be able to have our own reality. Good luck with that. Me, I'll stick with the actual, you know, reality.

I don't have a problem with definitions, I'm kind of a stickler there. I think I probably just got turned around one too many times between your post, and the one you were originally replying to. Also I don't really disagree with that whole 'reality' thing, not sure why you'd say such a thing.
You have a lot of good stuff that you post, but people don't even bother to read a lot of it because of the condescending demeanor that comes along with it. It doesn't help, there's no positive component to it, at least for anyone here. If there is for you, perhaps some self-contemplation is in order.
Lets sum up - I did disagree with you, although I may have misunderstood what you were saying. It's a possibility. I don't disagree with the definition of 'euphonic', nor do I need to look it up. I understand words have meanings. I'm a fan of that.
I don't disagree with 'reality', I'm all for it. Nor do I have 'my own reality'. For anyone with an IQ above room temperature, the concept is absurd.
You make a lot of assumptions, considering how smart you constantly claim to be.

Big head. I said I have a big head. You got a problem with that?
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