Thanks folks for the input, which kind of solidified the way I was leaning (toward the Pass). Surprisingly was able to get a new one for around $7500. I wanted the tube/SS combo deal on the Mac as that was my initial consideration, plus the balance control that I finally realized I didn't need (I had another equipment problem I fixed). Input from you and others convinced me I could get the warmth out of the INT-60, and the backlog and lack of info on the Mac started to bother me, along with some uncertainties some have had about their service facilities and support, not to mention the ownership change. Probably not to worry, but no problems there for sure with Pass, although was surprised no dealer in Houston area (or Texas).. One other thing you may have an opinion about: heat management. My rack has a space just big enough for the amp but is completely open front and back. I could put it on top but am concerned that might be getting top-heavy up there. I'm putting a maple platform under it as its feet are an inch or so farther apart than my 15 inch support. Upgrading has put me into a league that I have to have my son lug the equipment for me! Times change! Thanks for the help.