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Magnepan 20R vs 20.1Rs

Anyone know the difference between the Magnepan 20Rs and the current 20.1R version. I am pretty sure they both have the push pull quasi ribbon midrange (verses the 3.6s'midrange type panel) but I am not sure how the base panels compare. The 20.1 is a push pull diplanar bass driver. What is the bass in the earlier 20R? Anyone heard a side by side comparison. I tried to find earlier threads but with no results.
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josh358
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That's interesting. Maybe you're measuring interference between the holes? There's also going to be some lobing at the crossover point. I haven't heard the effect either, maybe it's just because the brain is accustomed to comb filter effects at the highest frequencies. Anyway, it's the ear that counts. I tried the experiment you mentioned, flipping them around, but didn't think to measure them.
magfan
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That's what I was thinking. To verify, I have to flip 'em back around and try again.
I'm simply to un-motivated and since it sounds fine, I won't worry myself over that.
Also, using the Rives disk, I couldn't measure anything over maybe 12 or 14 k. Zip. Nada. I'm still mulling THAT over, too. Fuse confirmed good by meter.
How high does the radioshackup meter go?
Did you like the sound of rotated? No? Oh, well....I fixed my issues, so until I can fix the room and try again, it'll stay.
josh358
286 posts
 
IIRC, the Radio Shack meter goes all the way up, but it's not even roughly accurate towards the top. So you could see relative changes but not absolute ones. If you do a search on the Planar Asylum, you should be able to find JBen's measurements of his MMG's with mylar front and mylar back. They're close enough to the 1.6's that I suspect the results would be similar.

I actually liked them both ways. On balance, I preferred front, because getting the high end right was more important than the better imaging from the back, but I can see that that could depend on personal preferences and your room (mine was very live when I tried it, no furnishings at all).
magfan
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The Rives disc is supposed to be calibrated to the Radioshackup meter. It has 2 sets of test tones.....one at zerodb, the other tipped for the meter.

I even put a new battery in the meter without help.....

Meter between speakers aimed at center. I even tried aiming right at speaker, no help.
josh358
286 posts
 
I suspect that the top end of the Radio Shack meters (and most inexpensive calibrated mics) is too inconsistent. If you want to make inexpensive measurements that are more meaningful, you might look into a calibrated Behringer:

http://cross-spectrum.com/measurement/calibrated_behringer.html

Parts Express is selling what looks to be the same thing with a cal file for only $40!

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=390-801
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