Modified Lenco vs TW Raven

Thanks again for all the work you put in testing your tables. There is a lot there for analog lovers.

You're welcome Tdaudio...😊
I needed to counter objectively what the Trolls peddle via innuendo and lies...😡
Every Raven owner should rub these results into the noses of those who proffer their unsupported heresay about the speed accuracy of Raven turntables on future Forums....😎👍

I also listen to live music (both unamplified and amplified) on a frequent basis, and while I agree with Lewm on the remarkable dynamics, his comments on imaging are misleading. What I find is that imaging of live music is level-dependent - it tends to be quite clear up to a certain amplitude, but can fall to pieces when the playing is louder than this threshold. This is because the structure (or furnishings) of most rooms will go into resonance at various frequencies, and the resonance threshold is governed by loudness. When the room is not resonating, imaging can be very clear and precise, but when the room is resonating, the acoustic cues that the ear interprets as imaging will be masked.

FWIW, the human ear can be very sensitive to spatial imaging in real life (sensitivity changes according to the individual listener, but can be augmented by training). The paralympics sport goalball would not exist were it not for the ear's sensitivity to imaging.

hth

"What I find is that imaging of live music is level-dependent - it tends to be quite clear up to a certain amplitude, but can fall to pieces when the playing is louder than this threshold."

So I guess there is room for both of us to be "right", if that is important. One of my favored venues in DC is a place called Bohemian Caverns. In a way, it's a dump. However, it was constructed many decades ago such that the interior resembles a real cavern, with faux cave-like painted plaster surfaces. I would venture to guess that no two surfaces in the room are parallel to each other, nor are there any surfaces that are not complex curves. Thus by accident it is a great listening room, but only if you sit directly in front of the performers. One must avoid the direct radiations of their grade B speakers in favor of direct listening. At "the Caverns", the imaging can change during the course of a single tune from excellent in the audiophile sense to vague, and back to excellent.Anyway, in my original observation, I did not intend to be seen as rendering an absolute judgement about imaging in a live performance, which can mean anything from an unamplified recital in the home to an orchestra in a concert hall and in the latter case depends upon where one is sitting, what concert hall, etc. And everything in between.

Barbapapa,
I have a very much tricked out Lenco 78 and told you all the improvements to it already on the lengthy post. I just received the Synergistics Research PHT little metal gizmo that attches to the cartridge with a small amount of a blu-tac substance so it sits somewhere on the top of the cartridge. This thing is VERY SMALL as in the top couple mm of a push button pen's button. It has a concave top. I bought it on A'Gon a week ago. They send you 2 separate PHT's that are totally different sounding but equally brilliant. They will make any analog set-up sound significantly better. Once a PHT is attached to the top of the cartridge, you can switch one for the other and the swap takes about 1 minute--it's like 2 top flight cartridges with different awesome qualities. With my above mentioned set-up the Blue Heaven version adds air, more detail, clearer, more impactful bass, and lets you use a less expensive set-up and still get the sound quality of a $3000-4000 cartridge with each and swaps out in seconds. I'm sold--it is now better in my set-up than my previous Maplenoll Ariadne that took me almost 1 year to get it running it's best. I haven't listened to the Purple Haze version yet. Could be even better in my system says Alfred Kainz--the PH version

Bob

Hello,

thank for the answers. Dorkwad can you tell me about the differences between the Lenco 78 and the L 75 model ?
About Synergistic research I ordered some ECT not received yet. Do you have some ?
For the room acoustics I have the Stein Music H2a and H2b + stones and Diamonds and very happy with that. Stein are less expensive here in Europe and Holger Stein is a very kind person humble and honest. The first time I asked him 2 H2a an b for a try I received a crate with much more than I asked for (cables ; speaker match, Epads, Maestro laquer, ans Super Naturals feet). I had at least one month for trying all that at home wituout anybody telling you what to her...
Great. Some thing I kept some others not. He never moan about that. He is just curious to know what you think and never criticised your opinion in any way : relaxing.