Modifying Crossovers


I just read a post about changing resistors and caps in the new Borresen X3 speakers. I am curious why there is interest in changing the components in a brand new speaker. I also am curious if it would make them better than why didn’t the designers put a better component in the first place. Just a thought and scratching my head. Have a great day.

falmgren

@carlsbad2 

Beautiful work.  I like your choice of capacitors.  Mundorf, at least to my budget, are my favorites.  I've used quite a few of the EVO Oil caps in speaker rebuilds, and have always liked their sound.  I'm using a mix of Supreme EVO Oils and ClarityCap CSA's, on a current project.  Hope to get it completed soon.

Also, I've never done recaps, on both vintage or new speakers, where the recap didn't improve the sound.  I've only done like for like recaps.  Never anything to mod or change from stock values, and never been disappointed.  And I do A/B the stock speaker, to a recapped speaker, for comparison.  I even volunteer family members, for an extra set of test ears, and they hear positive differences between the two.  So, I don't shy away from tearing into a speaker, if the base design is worthy of the upgrade?  Part of the fun.

Interesting discussion.  I am pondering updating the crossover components on my IRS Beta. They are original except that I have "re glued" some of the components that fell off.  Odd that they used what seems to be glue gun adhesive and then hung components instead of placing them on the bottom of the crossover enclosure.

 

In my case, there is Bayer in Germany that developed a modern crossover for the speakers.  I wonder how they sound.......

ervikingo

If you have room move the crossovers as far away from the  woofer as possible .

I think the seductive part about upgrading crossovers (not modifying the network) is that those of us who have done it have heard substantial improvements.

I am of the opinion that I can more easily hear improvement in sound by upgrading parts in key areas (i.e. loudspeaker crossovers, coupling capacitors and output capacitors in amplifiers) than I can spending significant money on cables. Yes, I do think cables make a difference, but after I use good quality cabling I can’t experience as much benefit from going further.

With capacitors, in particular, if they are directly in the signal path or if they are linked to filter power supply, I believe that I can readily hear differences.

I once bought a Musical Paradise preamplifier for the sole purpose of using its internal "binding post" style terminations for coupling capacitors. This was brilliant by the OEM. They placed a slot for the cap on the PCB, much larger than what they supplied, and put a binding post at each end of the capacitor location. With a turn of the hand (just like tightening a binding post on a speaker or amp) you could insert the leads to new capacitors! This was so much fun and enlightening.

I also give props to the Amp Designer as they were acknowledging how different capacitors can sound.

Other examples of OEMs recognizing this are those that offer capacitor upgrades in their speakers and amps. I know Atmasphere and Modwright (I really respect those guys too) do that and a host of speaker manufacturers, though not many to my knowledge.

AudioNote and Elekit encourage users to upgrade or swap.

When I sell my used gear that I’ve upgraded this way, I disclose it to the buyer and tell them I have saved the original parts or have resourced them and can replace them if they want. Buyers who get it typically take the upgrade and old/spec’d parts. There’s no question a 1.50 film cap made in Taiwan often used in children’s electronics is (a) used in some awfully expensive products (I’m looking at you Harbeth); and (b) a nice Wima, Nichicon, Audyn, ClarityCap, VCap, etc. is better. [In fairness to Harbeth, I have seen photos where they also use what look to be beautiful Clarity Caps made in England--nice!]

Finally, I think those of us who have cracked open gear or built gear have learned many of these things firsthand. It’s not similar to anything else--cars, instruments, etc.

With high end audio, I see there is an inherent fear about messing with the design, hurting resale, and voiding warranty. Those are legitimate concerns, to a point, which can be mitigated or removed.

The charming and super knowledgeable Eve Anna Manley of Manley Labs (and her team) invited conversations with me about my upgrades--and they were not about voiding my warranty. Ms. Manley told me that if I liked my caps (linked to the RCA outputs) to use them--they’re great. But she also told me to experiment as they did. She said they spent countless hours listening to caps and thought the brand they chose (I think it was multi-cap or sonicap) worked really well in this amp. She said the same thing about tubes--they loved basic Eletroharmonix in this preamp, but she encouraged me to experiment.

I think one reason we don’t see manufacturers offering swap and play binding posts for capacitors is that there can (and typically is) huge amount of current running through these and the user would need to discharge the current before popping them out. That involves too much liability. But theoretically (if it was as safe as changing a cable), I think many would offer it.

Great topic!