My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!

So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:

PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!





I asked you a question on 7/14/2022 on your YouTube channel and even sent you an email but you never respond. This is what I asked you.

”Hey Jay.

I have a fully restored Monoblock amplifiers I believe can compete with the Mephisto Solos especially when it comes to tight solid bass. Let me know if you want to check out the Legendary Fixed (not bias) Pure Class A amplifier that doubles down on its power all the way to a 1/2 ohms, 3200 watts of Fixed Pure Class A. Krell KRS200 Monoblock 200 watts in 8 ohms Fixed Pure Class A at. Here are some photos. Check it out. These amplifiers were built in 1988, very rare.“

At the time I can understand if you are bias or that you don’t like to compare old amplifiers of that caliper because you only like new amplifiers and most can’t even get there hands on these rare beauties but after reading what you posted on some of the amplifiers here, clearly that’s not the case. Now please don’t take this personal or an attack on you because this is not the case. I have watched your channel a few times, and I wanted to get feedback from you because in some ways, you reminded me of what I use to do (not on YouTube) in comparing amplifiers, speakers, CD Players, etc. I always say the best way to maintain peoples interest is to acknowledge them with a response. For one reason or another, my comments were no importance to you. I have since not watch any of your videos since then. Now, if these comments offend you the you definitely missed the point. People and companies rise and fall, don’t be the later of the two. Being in the spotlight is like being a professional athlete. I understand this Scenario all to well.  Praise’s and negative comments come with the territory. One must except and learn from both to continue success. 



My apologies for not getting back to you before. I receive a lot of emails and i must have not seen yours or it went into my junk inbox. 

That said, I appreciate your offer and I don't doubt your amps are good and perform exactly as you describe. I unfortunately can not embark on taking gear in here that does not fit the direction in which my channel is going. Maybe in the future we can revisit the idea, but right now I am FLOODED with gear that i need to sell so i can make space for what is coming on an 18-wheeler to me. I can barely walk through my room door at this time and my storage unit is full of boxes too. 

Once again, i thank you. 


No worries at all Jay. I wasn’t interested in selling them, I was asking if you heard them or wanted to listen to them at the time you were coming to California this past year when you said you were going to visit the Magico facilities. I have 3 systems at the house and am cluttered as well. I’ve been moving quite a bit of gear as well and holding on the the legendary old school 2 channel Krell and my Boulder system. I’m experimenting with my 6 pair stacking JL Audio Fathom 110 Subwoofers to compare with the 6 stack REL G series. The Fathom and the Gotham 12” & 13” as well as the REL 25, 32, & 33 is an overkill for my system using Wilson speakers. I don’t need the subwoofers but I wanted to setup and experiment to see. Will keep you posted. 

Thanks & Best


You said, "A number of times you have incorrectly used the word objective in the place ofsubjective. Any opinions of what sounds better or worse by their nature must be subjective."

I would appreciate it if you can give examples or quotes of what I said.  This is an important topic for discussion which I'd like to pursue if you can do that.  Thanks.


Please take that privately. No need to turn this into something else. Maybe go over to the thread where he is posting about me. 


Hello. Do you ever talk about what cabling you are using with your various setups ? Thanks. 

jay's_audio_lab:"o clue what you are referring to by saying i deleted a post"

I never said you deleted a post no one here can do that except the moderators or the poster himself. What you do is try to silence, banish, and attack all those who dare question your might, invincible, powerful authority! Here's another example

"Please take that privately. No need to turn this into something else. Maybe go over to the thread where he is posting about me. "

Well I am not going away and I will continue to participate in an active, thoughtful way and sorry to tell you but I will not fix your electrical problems you'll have to do that your self "fella."

Good luck promoting your $50 USD monthly "raw" video offer I'm sure they are quite exciting!

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"Well I am not going away and I will continue to participate in an active, thoughtful way and sorry to tell you but I will not fix your electrical problems you'll have to do that your self "fella."

We are so fortunate to have such a thoughtful poster on this thread.  Your posts are so uplifting and positive.  Thank you for sharing with us.

so true rbach. well said

i am thankful as well for his/her constructive, thoughtful, positive comments

@jays_audio_lab About no motivation to buy anything else... thats what you say now. But there is still options on the horizon.. Apex, Relentless etc.

Anyway grab an m9 or xvx and lets get this party started.

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Certainly your top Boulder electronics + Stromtank will make any of these 3 speaker contenders sound better than when you last heard them.  The Magico M6 is my prediction for the most disappointment.  The M6 has a laid back sound compared to the S7 which won't change even if your electronics are now tops.  The Wilson Alexx V would be my recommendation to replace the S7.  I liked the Alexx and the XLF for their brilliant HF, and perhaps the Alexx V would be even better.  The Alexx V is not so expensive, another plus.  The Sonus Faber Aida 2 is a new beast which you haven't had before, and might be interesting, but it is the most expensive.  

I am most looking forward to the turntable/digital comparison, on the S7 which we are familiar with.  I doubt any of your new contenders will match the S7 for clarity.

IMO, you should hold off on changing anything until you get your turntable and see what’s what within a known reference. Also, with speakers, I’ve had many really good speakers in my room and, for reasons I don’t know, some clicked amazingly with the room and some didn’t. Like your buddy in PR with the Wilsons.  I could tell from your reaction that they were a different animal from the same speakers in your room. Those S7s just click with your room and I think you heard it from the minute you installed them. I wouldn’t be shocked if the more expensive Magicos didn’t sound better. But you do have a “lab” so you have to experiment.  Sometimes we forget that you are not building a system for yourself like everyone else. You are experimenting with different gear for other reasons. Good luck with the TT.  

Agree with chayro.  The Aida looks like a monster which may be too large for your room.  Reading Mike Fremer's S-phile review of the original Aida, he found it diffuse sounding vs his Alexx.  Don't pick your speaker contenders based on high price.  With your modestly sized room, the largest, most expensive speakers are least likely to work out.

In the real musical world of pianos, the most expensive 9 foot grand piano is guaranteed to sound worse in most rooms than a cheap upright piano.  That 9 foot piano is designed for a large concert hall only.

Jay, I bought the Luxman M10X based upon the results of your shootout.  I had the D’Agostino Progression stereo (old Model).  My speakers are Sonus Il Cremonese.  What do you think the benefits of going to the mono block Luxman be vs Stereo?  Is it worth it?

Yes - with those speakers

I'm glad to be able to help you out with your amp purchase. 




Too many variables.  No reference point.  We still don't know from listening to your videos how the B 3050 compares to the 3060.  It is impossible to make an informed judgment about the new cables.  Different songs.  In order for us to tell anything, you would present the same song on the B 3050 and 3060 (not able to be done if you have already sold the 3060) with the Transparent loom, and then with the new cables.  If you have sold the 3060, present the 3050 and the rest of the system with Transparent, then with the new cables on the same 1-2 songs.

The content you are requesting is already part of the members only section of my website. Here’s some of the content there:

  1. Boulder 3050 & 3060: how do they compare ? Which one to buy ?
  2. Aurender n30 & Taiko extreme music server: how do they compare? What are their pain points ? Which one is better ?
  3. Audience front row cables: are they any good?
  4. Alon wolf goes over his ultimate horn speakers and the reason why they quit making them
  5. The worst components I have owned
  6. DAC shootout (coming soon )
  7. Boulder 866 integrated review. Is it any good? (Coming soon)
  8. Which amplifier under 30k would i buy if i were building a system? Is it the m10x? (The answer will surprise you)

Many more videos are also on there...

The YouTube channel will continue to get free content but my members will get exclusive content that will never be on YouTube with my unleashed opinion plus advanced access to videos that won’t make it on YouTube for months.


Respectfully, please don’t come back preaching and telling me how or which content i should share where or what is fair or unfair for my audiences. I have been flying this airplane solo for over 5 years and don’t plan to add a copilot - I am good.

What you just said is only your opinion.  What counts are shootouts that people can hear for themselves.  That would be worthwhile content, but you haven't presented that even to your "ultra hifi" members.  You presented the new cables in your present system, asked for our opinions on this thread, but you have not refuted my statements that no conclusions can be drawn about the sonic character of the new cables.

Some semblance of disciplined scientific evaluations are the only valid method of drawing conclusions, even to yourself in your private listening.  What you do is present your opinions only.  That is true about the content for members as well as readers of this thread.  In the field of medicine, this is known as anecdotes, which cannot be accepted as truths until controlled studies are done.  Anecdotes have some value to those who trust the opinions of the claimant.  But as Ronald Reagan said, trust but verify.

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What you just said is only your opinion.  What counts are shootouts that people can hear for themselves ... Some semblance of disciplined scientific evaluations are the only valid method of drawing conclusions, even to yourself in your private listening.  What you do is present your opinions only ...

I think that's all you're going to get from Jay here. He's a showman. You'll need to ante up the $600/year subscription to get the whole "show" and "raw" videos.

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Too many variables.  No reference point.  We still don't know from listening to your videos how the B 3050 compares to the 3060.  It is impossible to make an informed judgment about the new cables.  Different songs.  In order for us to tell anything, you would present the same song on the B 3050 and 3060 (not able to be done if you have already sold the 3060) with the Transparent loom, and then with the new cables.  If you have sold the 3060, present the 3050 and the rest of the system with Transparent, then with the new cables on the same 1-2 songs.

Jay - You may not like the way the message was presented, but that doesn't mean it is wrong.   You have now issued 3 videos on the "New" cables without an apples to apples comparison to the Transparent. 

If one is asking how the cables sound in the videos, that is one thing (Sounds good to me).  But a comparison with another brand is problematic. 

If you have already made an apples to apples (same songs/equipment/amps) comparison of the mystery cables with the Transparent on your website, sorry for addressing it here.

In conclusion, labeling a contributor of $16 and $25 each month as Low-Fi and Mid-Fi appears to be condescending, and is, well, Low.



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Well the moderators will handle your repeated posts after they delete them. You did me a favor. Much appreciated 

Jay, you said several times during promotion of your website, that you are interested in educating.  If you choose to do more educating to your paying members, that is respectable and your worthy prerogative.  Every business owner expects to deliver more value to customers that pay more.  So I wonder if you have done the disciplined video demonstrations along the lines of what I and a few others suggested, for your paying members.  If so, then I apologize for my error.  That enhances the value of what you offer to the paying members.  If you just offer your opinions and preferences without objective video evidence, that is less value for your members.  Take this suggestion as a way to offer more value to them, and you will increase your numbers that way.

Too bad there are a couple of posters that are hell-bent to disrupt and antagonize Jay on this thread. It’s sad for us who have been loyal followers and truly appreciate the tireless work he does to have to see it go down this way. I don’t understand why the moderators let this happen. To me it is clear who is attacking who.  BTW I am not referring to viber6


I have requested for the moderators to close this thread until further notice. I simply do not see any reason for me to keep doing what I am doing on here when there is criticism, negativity and simply "seek and destroy" missions targeted at me.

I need to focus on what is of the UTMOST IMPORTANCE in my life right now:

  1. My family
  2. My job
  3. My Youtube Channel
  4. Growing my brand

I want to thank those of you who have been in my corner (you know who you are) for all the support throughout the past 5 years. I also want to let everyone know that I made this decision for my own sanity and health and to focus on what moves the needles in my life the most at this very moment.

I do not know when I will have this thread opened again, but I sincerely doubt it will be this year since I will be entirely too busy with the holidays, my youtube content, my website and other commitments that will carry me through the end of 2022.

If you want to reach out to me, you know where and how to find me. 

Thanks again and happy holidays!





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