You should give Jim at valvesnmore.com a try. I bought some very interesting 6SN7's from him as well as my favorite Sylvania 6SN7GTA. Smaller, boutique operation run by an honest guy.
NOS Tubes - Agony or Ecstasy -Part II - The Search
I thought I would do an update on my search for Tubes for my Don Sach's 6sn7 based Preamp. The amp came with Shuguang we6sn7's. Decent tubes once you get some good ones. About 3 out of 10 are bad.
So I started a search for some fine NOS tubes. Found the great reference threads on the Dehavilland and Head-HiFi sites as a starting point. I researched every possible seller except for Ebay, I won't buy anything on Ebay anymore. I ended up buy tubes from a variety of sellers. Here are my experiences. Certainly not intending to critique any particular seller, just sharing my buying experiences.
I need matched pairs and wanted to mix brands including 50's RCAs, VT231's, 40/50's Sylvanias and Ken Rad.
Brent Jesse Recording equipment - ordered a pair of chrome top Sylvania's. One tube dead on arrival. Sent them back and exchanged for a pair of older Sylvanias (bottom getter 2 rivet). He labeled them as "Bad Boys" but they are clearly not the 3 rivet version. These tubes were so Microphonic they were completely unusable. One of them actually would feed back when tapped. Sent them back. I don't trust Brent's claims about testing so I will not order from him again.
Viva Tubes - Ok, so this seller has a bit of a reputation for hyperbole. In fact, all of his Sylvania tubes have "Bad Boy somewhere in the description, I guess for internet searches. They are also mostly not true NOS but in his description "Tested NOS"? Whatever that means. He has a solid return policy for noise and miicrophonics so I went ahead and got a pair of Sylvania 2 rivet, bottom Getters, dated around 53. Tubes are great, pins needed cleaning but they sound great and have very low microphonics and no noise to speak of. So positive experience here.
TCtubes - Got a pair of 56 RCA GTB's just now. Zero microphonics, tubes look NOS, pins are clean. Burning them in but expect them to end up being keepers. These guys are very responsive to emails, they just do not have a big inventory of 6sn7 but I'll buy from them in the future.
Vintage Tube Services - Andy has a great reputation and is 6 weeks behind on orders (maybe more like 8) So I ordered some Ken-Rads and am still waiting. I have high hopes for Andy's tubes. Now that I have a basic stash it won't be so hard to wait a couple of months.
I also heard good things about Upscale but they did not have much in the way of NOS 6sn7's. A couple of other recommended dealers did not have inventory. There is one dealer on Etsy. However, he posted a photo of Sylvania's with hand painted logo so I shied away - he is very responsive to messages however.
At any rate - I hope that Andy finally gets those Ken Rad's shipped as I think they will be a great match to the Sylvania's - best of both worlds. BTW, so far the descriptions of tonal qualities on the Dehavilland thread have been pretty right on the money.
drew.
So I started a search for some fine NOS tubes. Found the great reference threads on the Dehavilland and Head-HiFi sites as a starting point. I researched every possible seller except for Ebay, I won't buy anything on Ebay anymore. I ended up buy tubes from a variety of sellers. Here are my experiences. Certainly not intending to critique any particular seller, just sharing my buying experiences.
I need matched pairs and wanted to mix brands including 50's RCAs, VT231's, 40/50's Sylvanias and Ken Rad.
Brent Jesse Recording equipment - ordered a pair of chrome top Sylvania's. One tube dead on arrival. Sent them back and exchanged for a pair of older Sylvanias (bottom getter 2 rivet). He labeled them as "Bad Boys" but they are clearly not the 3 rivet version. These tubes were so Microphonic they were completely unusable. One of them actually would feed back when tapped. Sent them back. I don't trust Brent's claims about testing so I will not order from him again.
Viva Tubes - Ok, so this seller has a bit of a reputation for hyperbole. In fact, all of his Sylvania tubes have "Bad Boy somewhere in the description, I guess for internet searches. They are also mostly not true NOS but in his description "Tested NOS"? Whatever that means. He has a solid return policy for noise and miicrophonics so I went ahead and got a pair of Sylvania 2 rivet, bottom Getters, dated around 53. Tubes are great, pins needed cleaning but they sound great and have very low microphonics and no noise to speak of. So positive experience here.
TCtubes - Got a pair of 56 RCA GTB's just now. Zero microphonics, tubes look NOS, pins are clean. Burning them in but expect them to end up being keepers. These guys are very responsive to emails, they just do not have a big inventory of 6sn7 but I'll buy from them in the future.
Vintage Tube Services - Andy has a great reputation and is 6 weeks behind on orders (maybe more like 8) So I ordered some Ken-Rads and am still waiting. I have high hopes for Andy's tubes. Now that I have a basic stash it won't be so hard to wait a couple of months.
I also heard good things about Upscale but they did not have much in the way of NOS 6sn7's. A couple of other recommended dealers did not have inventory. There is one dealer on Etsy. However, he posted a photo of Sylvania's with hand painted logo so I shied away - he is very responsive to messages however.
At any rate - I hope that Andy finally gets those Ken Rad's shipped as I think they will be a great match to the Sylvania's - best of both worlds. BTW, so far the descriptions of tonal qualities on the Dehavilland thread have been pretty right on the money.
drew.
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If you want additional detail on identifying NOS valves, check out the Tube monger site. quite a bit of into. https://www.tubemonger.com/ |
It’s a challenge and even though I’ve been using tube gear almost exclusively since the early ’70s, I don’t pretend knowledge about tubes in the kind of depth that would allow me to avoid fakes or bad examples. In fact, some are not fake but are not what they purport to be-- a tube I bought with made in Gr. Britain on the glass was actually an Amperex tube made for Mullard or Siemens in the U.S. back in the day when the companies would seek out manufacturing capacity to cover demand. Or so I learned. I feel you on the source limitations too. Most are pulls not really new old stock. And some sources I used have pretty much dried up. I too have an order with Andy. Some of the common audio tubes are now harder to find b/c they are so popular; some less common, like the 6H30, which is in my line stage, are getting rare as early DR stocks depleted.(I didn’t like the sound of the modern tube in my unit, the DR had far more ambience). I don’t think there is an easy answer unless it is gear that is designed to sound good using a modern, readily available tube. I only roll 1 tube on my amps, Lamm ML2- the 12ax7- easy to find pulls, not so easy to find truly new old stock (ribbed) and that is an "easy" tube--- there were a lot made. Even rectifiers, which used to be common and cheap are now pricey for the desirable ones. I also like to have a back up or two for each tube so I’m not in extremis; and these days, some tubes are spendy. At least if you get true NOS on small tubes, they should have long life. The problem with pulls is they may measure well, but can decline far sooner b/c they really aren’t "new"-- how many miles on them? Who knows.... |
+1 for Tubemonger - great photos of the classic NOS tubes, A big help for identification of tubes. Tubemongerlib.com pinwa - thanks for the recommendation. I'll check out valvenmore. Just know, Sylvania and others manufactured tubes labeled for other companies. For instance, Hammond organs, Motorola, and others. I think these are fine tubes in most cases. So that does complicate matters. They do generally have the original makers ID number on them. These are listed on |
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