Nude Turntable Project

Halcro, I'll bite.
The answer is that YES the NVS is a ring holding the table, with that ring mounted on legs. It serves the purpose that what is commonly thought to be a 'plinth' also serves. In principal, if you think of your TT-81 and what the original Victor plinth was like, it was a rigid frame into which the motor was screwed. That plinth had legs/footers which stood on the ground. The motor hung out over the empty air - quite similar to the NVS.

I would suggest that the idea of a 'plinth' could be boiled down to whether it serves the purpose intended. As an architect, you would know the purpose of the original meaning. It should be a rigid mount for the thing above it.

The question is whether the plinth for TTs is sufficiently different in that it is at the same time a "base" (and in Japanese, the word is a Japanese version of the English word 'base', not 'plinth'), and a weight which loads the TT to absorb resonance, or to conduct it to the next level below.

In that sense, a 'plinthless TT' might mean something different for different people.

Uh-oh. Albert's got one? Is that in fact a photo of Albert's? (Looks like a 12-inch SME mounted in Panzerholz arm board, both favorites of AP, so I guess the answer is "yes".) Nuts! Now I have to ditch my SP10 Mk3.

Janis Joplin, where are you now?
(Channeling her lyric: "Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz. My friends all got Porsches, I must make a-mends.")

Just kidding. No way I can afford an NVS. But that NVS structure qualifies as a plinth in my little turntable book.

Henry: It may not resemble a conventional plinth, but function is not necessarily restricted to specific forms.

To me it looks like the NVS structure will function as what is commonly called a "plinth", and this particular implementation possesses a substantial amount of moment-inertia so as to better resist motor ripple torque.

It appears that the designer is aware of the basic technical aspects that are desirable for such a structure.

cheers, jonathan

A 'plinth' is actualy not a name with refering function
but rather a 'concept' with as many senses as the users
of the term think of. But we can determine an more precise
meaning by our discussion. I myself however
will never acknowledge whatever number of footers as a plinth.

Regards,

Dear Halcro and friends: WOW ! WOW ! and WOW !

I can't believe it. My Denon's ( DP-80 and 75. ) were on the " closet " for a lot of years that I can't remember how many, well two weeks ago I thinked: why not tested today? and that's what I made.

First I test and mounted the DP-80 and of course plinthless ( with different footers than your Victor but looks very similar. ) using the same AT pneumatic footers ( 3 ) that with my SP-10s.

First take: outperform easily the Technics one and obviously the BD TTs AS. Well I was really happy and enjoying the " new " fabolous toy when I decided to test the DP-75 ( tha's almost a DP-80. ).

Second take: please don't ask me why ( both units in perfect operation condition. ) but outperform the already great DP-80 quality performance level.

Well, that one unit outperform the other or that one audio item beats other one has nothing of extraordinary.
The main subject is what means that " outperform " and in the case of both Denon's means in one word: a totally different performance on what I experienced in my system and with any other system out there I heard it. The word accuracy it its wider meaning seems to me adequate. Both Denon's gives a new dimension to the music listening experience and I mean a NEW DIMENSION that only when you experience it could understand what I'm trying to say.

Halcro, now I understand better your excitement when you test for the first time your Victor 101.

I compart with you that excitement that i don't share before because I wnat to be absolute sure about and now I'm; absolutely amazing for say the least. DISTORTIONS ALMOST DISAPPEAR. GONE FOR EVER, at least the ones coming for a TT.

This you can see what Denon design means and where you can see that the only difference on specs between the DP-80 and DP-75 is mainly on the rumble number that in the DP-75 is a better one:

http://www.thevintageknob.org/denon-DP-80.html

http://www.vinylengine.com/library/denon/dp-75.shtml ( the brochure is a need to read. ). Both TTs have bi-directional servo with double-platter design.

Is there any single justification/reason to use these Denon babies with a plinth?, IMHO none: plinthless is the name of the game.

Halcro and friends: we are in the road!!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.