Odyssey Lorelei vs Von Scheikert Vr4jr

Any one ever compare these two? I have VR4jr's and a pair of Lorelei's on the way to me. I love the jr's but the bass seems a little muddy, not all the time, but I feel the need to fix it. I have Odussey amps and thought, after reading some positive things about the Lorelei's, to give them a try. Just curious how they stack up to more well known brands.
I will be attending the RMAF and will be checking out quite a few different manufacturer's, just looking for more opinions.
I look forward to your review. As a fan of VSA, I have found that, as with most speakers, placement is key. My VR-4 JRs sound muddy if placed too close to walls. Like most speakers, they benefit from exact placement. When perfect placement is not possible, that's when specialty speakers "earn their keep".
I also find the bass of my VR4jrs to be probably the least strong area of its sound. Its not that its bad; just not as good as the jr's other considerable strengths. It could be that I get to compare with a friend's PMC IB2s and the bass from those speakers is in a different class to the jrs.
Do remember that apart from positioning, make sure you load the VR4jr with ballast as this does tighten up and improve the bass significantly.
You must try the the VS with high damping factor amp. I use them with UCD Class D amps and think the bass is first class. CHannel Island, Bel Canto, or PS Audio are excellent choices. Phil Brady.
I concur with Phil Brady on the aspect of bass. So many factors, the room, the amp, the placement. With my Bel Cantos the bass is deep, detailed and articulate. With test tones and a RS meter, it measures -6 dB at 20 Hz and
-3 dB at 25 Hz.
If you had time to listen and compare both speakers would like to read your impressions. As for myself, I have not at all found the Jr's to be muddy. If you feel the speakers are muddy just some of the time. It would perhaps point to the source materials you are listening to at the time. And of course, as mentioned above, room and placement of the speakers may yield the results you seek.
I have had the Lorelei's now for a few months and I am extremely happy with them. I sold the VR4's and I am thinking that the muddiness was caused by the room/placement. I enjoyed them while I had them and I don't feel that there is a huge difference in sound.
I do feel that the Lorelei's sound a little more "real" when it comes to drums and piano, other than that I really could live with either one in my room. I don't have the "golden ear" so don't expect a lot of audiospeak from me on the differences. I just know if I like the sound or not and both sets seemed to keep my toes tappin'.
Had the Loreleis for a couple of years and loved them. Had to sell, unfortunately, but you're right about the toes tappin' and remarkable bass from such "small" drivers. They're another excellent value from Klaus. Glad you're enjoying them.
By the way...I'm another that's not great with audiospeak, but the Loreleis just sounded right with anything I played.