Pass labs upgrade path


Hi there. I’m Currently running a X350.5 and XP20 with a Bricasti M1SE and PBN KAS speakers. 
 

I have budget to upgrade amp or preamp and am considering either a X350.8 or XP22 or XP30 as my next logical upgrade. 
 

I’m more inclined for a XP22 than anything else as I heard a XP12 in my system and it did sound much more like a live show but without the advantages of separate power supply. 
 

I have not heard a XP30 or a .8 amplifier so I figured I’d ask around and see if anyone had been in a similar spot. 
 

Thanks y’all. 

128x128systembuilder

When I owned the XA60.8 followed by the XA160.8 paired with the XP20 I could not understand why two fantastic amps could be so underwhelming. I replaced the XP20 with the XP30 and still was far from impressed. Could it be the Pass preamps?! I inserted the XP30 into a friends system that consisted of an AR Reference 5SE paired to Parasound mono’s which at the time sounded great until I heard it with the XP20 and too fell flat and lifeless. Out went the Pass preamps and in went a tube preamp, in my case the original Aric Audio Motherlode tube preamp and then and only then, the big Pass amps sang with detail, richness, body and weight that the anemic Pass preamp failed to pull out.

 

Pass-great amps, not so great preamps, I am afraid. All of my fellow audio brethren who have convinced themselves that the Pass pre and amp pairings afford them the most ideal combination are, in my humble opinion, have been duped. Get a tube preamp!

 

@jc4659

The gain of the Ayre is 16db balanced and 10 db unbalanced. The gain of the Pass is 9db balanced. Since you have too much gain the Pass would be a better fit. You can lower the gain  with the Ayre using unbalanced cables, but I guess you knew that!

@yogiboy Yes, switching to the single ended outputs of the ayre pre should help but those are currently being used to drive a subwoofer. The above pre suggestions have me intrigued!