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Power Cords Snake Oil ??

Having been a long time audiophile living with countless high end compnents I have to wonder about the theory and practicality of high end power cords.

I have yet to hear the difference a power cord makes. Ive owned, synergistic, Shunyata, BMI and cardas. I in no way can detect any sonic signature or change. Give me a pair of interconnects and I imeadiately notice a difference somewhere in the sonic spectrum. Not the PC though. I have accomplished 4 blind tests with my friends. 3 out of the 4 they did not know their cord was replaced. All 4 were using a stock factory supplied cord. Each of the 4 tests were done on different components. Amp, CDP, Preamp & dac.

My electrical backround tells me that provided you supply the component with its required voltage bet 110vac or 220/240vac its happy. Now, change the incoming frequency from 60hz to say 53hz and watch how quickly your soundstage collapses.! This is often the case during the summer months when home air conditioners are in use and the utility company power output is taxed to the max. A really good power conditioner should however take care of the frequency fluctuations. But 110vac is still 110vac regardless of the conductor it passes through as long as its remains 110vac when it reaches the intended circuit. Does your 8k amp or preamp know the difference of the path the voltage took to reach it ? Many an audiophile will use a dedicated 20amp circut for their equipment.That is a good idea as voltage & frequency fluctuations will occur in the home circuit to to other loads on the main breaker panel but again, A power cord simply is the means of transporting the voltage from the wall to the component. IF there is a clean 110vac @ 60hz at the wall socket, no matter what the medium is to go from the socket to the component, it will still be 110vac @60hz.

Could somebody expand on this a bit more. I just dont understand it. ??
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You're not the first to go around, banging your drum about double blind testing and proffering wagers, which the mods frown upon. You'll find out soon enough.
Quite so. This is not the place for such nonsense. This a hobbyist's group. No one here owes anyone anything, including complying with demands for scientific evidence, participating in double-blind studies or being ridiculed or shamed for refusing to wager with an anonymous Internet user.
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cleeds"No one here owes anyone anything, including complying with demands for scientific evidence, participating in double-blind studies or being ridiculed or shamed for refusing to wager with an anonymous Internet user."

I will not be "shamed" and I am not afraid of a wager although I admit I remain dubious and skeptical about those who pursue such wagers because in the passed they're motives have been demonstrated and proven to be bogus, fraudulent, and deceptive and the only way to expose such a fraud is to be willing to accept the wager provided it is genuine, sincere and based in an actual scientific setting with a proper design, administrator, and controls yet so far no such offer has been presented here to the group. I admit is is easier for me because of my success in business a $25,000 USD wager does not represent a sizeable risk because  the loss would not be substantial to my net worth or costs of living so I can use this economic freedom to help reveal and expose those who are using this group for purposes for which the group is not intended and in fact in ways that may be violation of various US laws.
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I admit is is easier for me because of my success in business a $25,000 USD wager does not represent a sizeable risk because the loss would not be substantial to my net worth or costs of living so I can use this economic freedom to help reveal and expose those who are using this group for purposes for which the group is not intended and in fact in ways that may be violation of various US laws.

>>>>>Whoa! What?! Hey, looks like we got Son of The Amazing Randi on board! Although in Randi’s case he wasn’t using his own money. It was Johnny Carson’s. 😬
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" How much money is that for someone like you who writes, thinks and challenges like that of a third or fourth grader it is probably your entire piggy bank is it more than $100 USD? Please explain to us the exact amount of resources that you are willing to commit to the challenge you put forth towards the participants here in this group."


And yet you still report my posts to the moderators for removal rather than let them stand on their own to demonstrate "third or fourth grade" writing. Riiiiiiight. That’s the clearest case of projection I’ve seen yet. The amount of money I’d be willing to put up, given the proper experimental setup (that is, one vetted by any expert on double blind testing) would be....let’s say....substantial, even to a fake Internet rich guy like yourself..... and this amount would be paid out to you and your "group" if the results favored your (vague, ambiguous, whiny) argument in this "debate".

But here’s where you try to change the subject again, right? Make a report to the mods? 

Besides, make up your mind - are you willing to engage in this conversation, which may or may not culminate in a personal bet that YOU (not I) keep talking about and bringing up, or are you scared to debate the actual topic, which is the science or lack therof behind "upgraded" or "high end" mains AC cables or not? Are you going to keep diverting and dissembling or are you going to be able to focus on the merits of the points raised and an honest reading of what other posters actually write, rather than the fever dreams in your addled mind?

Also can you finally just learn to read for comprehension and if you’re truly interested in proving the merits of these cables, let’s find a way to get the manufacturers or proponents of such to prove that their cables enhance the audio in a given system controlling for all other variables? This kind of question requires a YES or NO response.
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