Schroder sq and the new talea


I heard there was to be a fun time of learning and comparing of these two arms at the rmaf. Since the talea is relatively new, it still has to stand the test of time with comparisons on other tables, other systems and the selective and subjective tastes of discerning audiophiles! There is to be a comparison in one of the rooms at the rmaf this year, which i wasnt able to make. I would be curious to hear some judicial, diplomatic, friendly talk about how they compared to each other in the same system and room. I currently own the origin live silver mk3 with a jan allaerts mc1bmk2 and am enjoying this combo but have become curious about the more popular "superarms" Hats off to both frank and joel.

I hope this thread draws more light rather than heat. If someone preferred one arm over the other it would be OK. With all the variables it doesnt mean that much to me. What matters to me is what it sounds like to me and in my room. With that said...

What was your bias? was it for the schroder or the talea?

cheers!...
vertigo
Has Mike Lavinge expressed his views on the comparison between the two tonearms in another thread?

I was looking forward to reading his version of events....
Dear Raul,
I'm wondering what principles first guide your design choices for this 'Universal' tonearm?
Do you start with a low mass design for high compliance cartridges (which you prefer) and then 'tweek' it to sound well with low compliance cartidges or vice versa?

I'm guessing that in any case it's a unipivot design......right?

Good luck
Henry
What Palasr said.
I sensed that most of the listeners came into the room with a bias, and since the test was hardly blinded, let alone double-blinded, most people I talked to "heard" differences that were ascribable to their own perceptions of how the two designs SHOULD differ sonically, given the differences in their construction. I am not saying this is the case for Mike L, since I did not get to talk to him after the session. Anyway, he has a much better data base (extensive listening in his home environment) for making a judgement.

All I could tell was that I heard two different tonearm/cartridge/phono stage systems that sounded different from each other, not surprisingly and given my rather poor listening position.
Dear Halcro: Principles first guide on our tonearm design?, well first than all understand in a precise way the overall role of the tonearm/cartridge works. Not only on mechanical or geometrical levels but really " see " inside what a cartridge is asking for and how the tonearm could help to achieve what each one cartridge ask for shows at its best.

This " ask for " means how attain that the tonearm relationship with the cartridge could be nearest to " invisible/transparent " one with almost no influence.

Cartridge compliance is important but was and is only one factor in a tonearm design and IMHO not the one that mainly defined our tonearm design. Things were a little more complex than that. Either the pivot type ( unipivot, gimball or whatever. ) as important as it is was not either the main subject to attain our " universal " goal.
Obviously that these factors/subjects as many others were take it in count and important in the design.

I can't disclose yet ( till we have the patents on hand. ) the overall design but as I posted we hope could do it in the first middle of 2011.

All I can say is that is an interesting tonearm design that fulfill almost all needs of we customers/audiophiles as never before.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.