Second opinions — how have others (including non-audiophiles) helped you?


Have been building a system since December 2020, just about at a place where I can rest for a while. Very enjoyable process of researching, trying, listening. Last phase, room treatments, are just about done.

Along the way, it's been very useful to bring in other family members and some close friends to listen and tell me what they hear. Most are non-audiophiles. But what jumped out to them helped me recalibrate what I was attending to and listen anew.

I was really trying to listen critically — sometimes with checklists of qualities to pay attention to. But myopia is a hard problem to see around, if you will. In some very important moment (including speaker tryouts), they pointed to obvious problems which I was missing.

Here's one recent example. I had been trying to tame some bass peaks and loaded the front of the room up with panels. I got those peaks under control — tight bass, well placed imaging, natural sounding instruments. Then, I had my wife sit down, and in a couple of seconds she noticed that things sounded "constrained" and "missing air." I pulled a couple bass traps out of there and things opened up — "Ah, that's better," she said. As I sat to listen, she was right. Better reverb, more space, lightness.

That's just one example. My question to anyone wanting to share is how other people (including non-audiophiles) helped you improve your system.
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"Before replying to a post arguing for your agenda read the post 2 times....And try to read about polarities in Coleridge...."

Forgive me, I was wrong. Previously I thought you were considerate, well mannered and good natured. Now I have see multiple occasions where you turn simple exchange into defensive argument. Enjoy your God. Enjoy your concepts.
Forgive me, I was wrong. Previously I thought you were considerate, well mannered and good natured. Now I have see multiple occasions where you turn simple exchange into defensive argument. Enjoy your God. Enjoy your concepts.
If you consider a reply to your own post unconsiderate i am sorry...

But you must read your own post before judging my reply...

Anyway i apologize if my frankness sometimes can be a little rude....

But a polarity is NOT a duality....A polarity exist in the real world of phenomena, a duality is only a fact in discourse...

And God dont ask to us to let our brain sleeping...

I apologize if my opinion has hurt your faith.... I have my own faith also...

By the way i am first a passionate man and sometimes not considerate enough it is true, and i like discussion.... Then.....

My best to you from my heart and brain....



«Concepts can be the grave or the seeds of love, the choice is ours»-Anonymus Smith
interesting thread..

I am only interested in Heaven IF my trusty Labrador is there..

Interestingly there are many words with no equivalent in another language...

Few artists and perhaps fewer scientists lack a muse or foundation...

As my sensei ( one of the inventors and refiners of Kaizen and the Toyota production system ) says: “ Everyone needs a sensei, even the change agent requires a change agent “

so I seek out others, rooms, systems, thoughts, tastes, etc... Normally I bring wine.
@steakster are you still in LA ? i am in Carlsbad Winters...when we exit lockdown..come down for music and fellowship, i enjoyed your post greatly....
"I apologize if my opinion has hurt your faith...."
No harm done. I don't believe I have much faith to be hurt. As indicated above, I agree with your point that the development and refinement of our language expands our conceptual realm. But, language and concepts arise from and exist within, to use hilde45's words, something pre-conceptual, pre-linguistic, i.e. a conscious backdrop or 'ground of being'. This is where our direct experience happens.