Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?

Dear @sokogear : " can’t deliver all the information of a continuous information flow from a cartridge that is not sampled. "

really? because the cartridge is not sampled but neither continuous .

and you insisted again:


""" Within the range of human hearing, vinyl delivers a CONTINUOUS stream of sound.

Tape/reel to reel is better - that’s what they use to capture the music in the studio and it delivers a continuous stream of sound as well. """


As all of us you need to follow learning to undeerstand your mistakes in your posts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/why-no-interest-in-reel-to-reel-if-you-re-looking-for-the-ultimate-soun/post?postid=1959719#1959719

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/the-very-best-sound-direct-to-disc/post?postid=1963764#1963764



"" 500 TT playing a good pressing will provide deeper, warmer sound ..""


warmer sound? deeper? ( please explain this. ), that does not exist in live MUSIC seated at near field position as is where are the recording microphones.
To understand it you only need to listen at live event SPLs to a horn/trumpet player at 3m. from him or a drum set at the same distance or a piano at 2m. and you will know that warmer is only in your imagination. That’s what you like but not the true sound of real MUSIC.

MUSIC is not sweet or heavy colored, gentle, swetness and the like. MUSIC is agresive, with brigthness, powerful, with natural colorations, fully dynamic, great rythm, up-front, full emotive, etc, etc. More like digital alternative.


I agree with what @roberttdid posted and ceratinly with @bdp24 where yes hardware is an " evil necessity " to listen MUSIC and at the end system hardware is only a tool.

The audiophile likes to listen/enjoy MUSIC it does not matters the kind of system hardware. It’s not the system hardware what defines if you or any one is an audiophile but if he likes MUSIC.
The hardware can gives you different quality sound levels on that reproduced MUSIC.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

Thank you rauliruegas, I couldn't have said it better, and often try, but too many audiophiles just don't want to listen nor accept that it is the imperfection of vinyl and the analog signal processing they like, not necessarily the accuracy, though there could be aspects of the "analog signal processing" that happens to interact with speakers and a room that recovers or more likely simulates additional information lost with a typical 2 channel playback void of specific aspects of information from one channel being added (out of phase) with the other.

To understand it you only need to listen at live event SPLs to a horn/trumpet player at 3m. from him or a drum set at the same distance or a piano at 2m. and you will know that warmer is only in your imagination. That’s what you like but not the true sound of real MUSIC.

geoffkait,

"I thought I felt someone’s hot breath on my backside."

You wish!

And? Tell us. What did voices tell you?

Id10t type of question by OP. Probably forgot to take his meds :-)

"That’s what you like but not the true sound of real MUSIC."

When it comes to rock and other "electrified" music (even if it is acoustic but amplified for the venue), it is rough out there. It is really rough around the edges, sharp indeed. It may move you, be good, etc., but it is not you smooth system at home. If for no other reason, those amplifiers, speakers, and venues are not smooth and warm.

When it comes to classical music, the one at home inevitably sounds "better", warmer, more present, and whatever other description that gets thrown in it, when compared to the one in the concert hall. I usually/often sit front row center of the few well-known venues and close my eyes to try to remember the sound. It is somehow blander than the one at home. Pleasant, but just less impressive sound signature. If I were able to reproduce it at home, someone would say it is "veiled" or not clear in some way. Sitting further from the stage (balcony, last rows of orchestra) makes it even less "there".

Those sound engineers, mastering gurus, and whoever else is involved in the recording/producing are there for some reason. They know what we like. And who likes reality?