JVC Victor QL8 or QL7 complete with plint and arm it is possible safely under $ 1000; they are very performing turntables
So many great golden era DD tables out there, what do you recommend for $1000?
Pretty much as the title says.
Have been looking for a while for a decent DD table to add to my lot.
Have bought a few lower end ones and ultimately been dissapointed.
Now I know there were/ are literally hundreds of choices from the Japanese Golden era of DD tables.
Looking for suggestions from actual owners of solid DD tables up to about $1000 .
I have read and read but nothing substitutes for real experience.
This would likely not be my primary table, my Garrard 401 has that position for now.
Thank you.
Have been looking for a while for a decent DD table to add to my lot.
Have bought a few lower end ones and ultimately been dissapointed.
Now I know there were/ are literally hundreds of choices from the Japanese Golden era of DD tables.
Looking for suggestions from actual owners of solid DD tables up to about $1000 .
I have read and read but nothing substitutes for real experience.
This would likely not be my primary table, my Garrard 401 has that position for now.
Thank you.
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Bestgroove, Here you go:http://fidelisanalog.com/product/mn6042/ |
Best-groove, "MN6042" is the part number of the vital chip used in the Mk2, the MK3, and one or more of the SL series. I do not know whether it is used in the old SL1200. SL1500 comes to mind, but I have not looked it up. In any case, before Fidelis Analog started reproducing the functions of the chip on a PCB and selling it, there were many who bought used SL1500s (if that's the correct SL number) for the sole purpose of cannibalizing the chip for their Mk2 or Mk3. If you search here on "JP Jones", you will probably find all the info you need. Or maybe look at one of the old threads on the SP10. |
"Servo" and "brushless" are not mutually exclusive; one has nothing to do with the other. But beyond that, I cannot answer your question. Sleepwalker, You have often mentioned the SL1700. Are you referring to the vintage version? Last time I was in Tokyo, I saw the SL1700 for sale brand new; Technics apparently still make them. What I saw might hvae been "Mk2" or Mk3". But I think they are "old technology", which is to say not related to the SL1200G series: therefore no coreless motor, and none of the other associated improvements. As you know, for well less than $2K, one can have one of the G series SL1200s. (I forget the correct alphanumeric designation for the least expensive model.) Unless the SL1700 that you have in mind is dramatically cheaper, I cannot imagine why one would prefer it over a G series. (I do realize we have been over this ground before. It's just that I've forgotten your response.) |
The Technics SL-1700mk2 (semi-auto, quartz locked) fits the bill very nicely for me. You can get a restored unit without cartridge in your budget range. Spend another $300 on an Audio-Technica VM540ML with microline contact stylus, and you’ve got something that’s hard to beat. I’ve got one such turntable, as well as another that’s in the restoration process, which will be equipped with a mono cartridge and VM540ML stylus. Parts are somewhat more available because these turntables were the basis for the SL-1200mk2, but the SL-1700mk2 is the audiophile choice, while the SL-1200mk2 is the DeeJay and rap-“DJ” choice. You can also go SL-1800mk2 if you prefer fully manual or SL-1600mk2 if you want fully automatic. |
Dear @uberwaltz : https://www.ebay.com/itm/DENON-DP-60L-Direct-Drive-TURNTABLE-WORKING/153428377243?_trkparms=aid%3D333200%26algo%3DCOMP.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D59957%26meid%3D96c1c6ffbcb8455088b1cd60d6bdb8bc%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D383129488065%26itm%3D153428377243%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219 https://www.vinylengine.com/library/denon/dp-60l.shtml file:///C:/Users/Sylvia/Downloads/ve_denon_dp-60l_brochure_en_imp_scan.pdf R. |
IMO the best buy for a DD turntable under $1,000 is a Luxman PD-121 or PD-131. Pair that w/ a Micro Seiki MA-505 MkII tonearm and you are in the game. Honorable mention goes to the Teac TN-400, a great little deck that requires a plinth and tonearm. They are reasonably priced and feature a very quiet drive. The SP10 Mk2 is a great deck, but for $1,000 these days you are probably going to find a unit that has had hard use at a radio station or needs repair. They are also big, when you consider the external PS and the need for a plinth of some kind. There are lots of other great DD decks out there. |
@lewm Lewn you can disagree no problem, if you are more up to date with fresh news this is good and useful. MN6042 .... mmmm .... I have to understand which is in the logic board and understand what function it has .... you say that inside the SL 1200 you find this chip? Good to know I will do an investigation and if it is true I’ll take that piece for spare parts |
Vintage DD for $1000 with plinth and tonearm? I think it’s pretty tough, but much more realistic without plinth and tonearm if you want something special. Technics SP-20 from the mid 70’s was a budget version of SP-10mkII, exactly the same size and shape, but without external power supply. Simplified DD motor. But look at the finishing, simply amazing. I like this black finishing. This is a rare model. My previous two samples now in use in the hood and friends are happy. Custom plinth and some nice vintage arm will make this model so cool and still not expensive. And if you want all in one under $1k then only SL-10 comes to my mind. The SL-15 most likely will be over $1k. I’m pretty sure refurbished samples must be great, there is a phonostage inside. I can’t ignore a budget version of PD-444 made by Luxman, this PD-441 is much smaller, but it has the same decent DD motor! I’m a fan of big and heavy (metal) PD-444 (not 441), but 441 is much cheaper and you can find it without arm under $1k |
best-groove, I beg to differ with your claim that the SP10 Mk2 does not rely upon a now discontinued chip. It does, in fact. Up until a year or two ago, that chip was unobtainable. (I think the part number is MN6042, but right or wrong as to part number, there IS a critical chip.) Many users of the Mk2 and the Mk3 purchase the one or two of the SL1200 variants that also use that particular chip, just to have a spare. However, in the last two years, JP Jones succeeded in producing a PCB that does the job of the MN6042 with even more resulting speed accuracy. And the PCB is not physically larger than the original chip. He sells it for a very reasonable price at Fidelis Analog. He'll also install it for extra cost. As to the Pioneer Exclusive turntables, these are the P10 (not "PL10") and P3. The P3 is the ne plus ultra of vintage Japanese DD. The Pioneer PL70II is also very highly regarded and may or may not be competitive with the Exclusive P10. (See write-ups on Vintage Knob.) But the P3 is in another league, and another price range. I agree with Raul; coreless motors are the way to go. |
I've never had the opportunity to compare PL-70 and PL-70L II, so best-groove may have a point. But it's difficult enough to get either of these tables where I live. I know that newer isn't always better. But I do wonder why Pioneer gave up on that MU-70 motor for the PL-70L II, apparently for an inferior alternative. Cost reduction is usually the reason for such alterations. But if so, why go through the trouble of also redesigning the tonearm? Not cost reduction it seems, as the newer design has interchangeable carbon fiber arm pipes similar to the P3/P10 tonearm. Unfortunately they also included an automatic arm lift, which is a feature I don't like. Of course the P3 or P10 is the perfect solution. Their best motor and best manual tonearm combined in a much more substantial chassis. By all accounts they still compete with anything out there, both new and vintage. But alas, not for $1000...... |
Dear @uberwaltz : You don't have to go " vintage " when you have the new Technics line with coreless motors and very good tonearms: https://www.technics.com/us/products/grand-class/sl-1200-series.html Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
@uberwaltz I am sure that the turntables recommended in this 3ad are all manual. You can always opt for a Technics Sp10 MkII if you have patience to wait for your budget to reach the sum to buy it. Keep in mind that the SP10 II not has special IC electronic components that are still on the market in the event of failures it does not have proprietary or specific ICs for applied that model like other turntables; this allows even in future years to find spare parts in case of problems. However an extraordinary maintenance just purchased any vintage turntable must be taken into consideration and performed if you want to be at peace with yourself by removing all problems for many years; I always do that in the vintage turntables I buy and I feel protected. |
Thanks bestgroove. Although I fear that too is out of my price range right now. With my budget likely going to be a middle of the road TT rather than one of their top flight models. Actually I would prefer a mostly manual DD TT, a lot less to go wrong with aging electronics. Not particularly handy at small electronics myself an no reputable tech in my area. |
@uberwaltz Because the PL70 is equipped with the famous MU70 engine and should be identical or derived from (if I remember correctly) to the engine mounted on the Exclusive PL 10 which is better in quality than the PL70II engine even if the written specifications do not say so. Furthermore the MU 70 in the past was sold separately as an engine this because at Pioneer they believed it very much. |
I've lived for years with DP75 (with mineral plinth and AT-1100 tonearm). It's a very dependable and solid machine and by most accounts very similar in quality to DP80, but somewhat easier to find and at a lower price. I switched to PL70L II, which I much preferred over the DP75. But I attribute this mostly to the wonderful tonearm, which makes this Pioneer a great choice in your price range. I got it at HiFiDo several years ago for less than $1000, but have to assume its market value has gone up since. |
I paid $600 for my DP80 with plinth and DA307 tonearm, but of course that was about 8-10 years ago, and the DP80 was "broken". Turned out to be an easy fix. Anyway, even at $1500 a proper DP80 will compete with any belt-drive at least up to $5K. I realize others may disagree, and I have no problem with that. To each his own. In my opinion, the DP80 will out-do the TT81 or PL70 but is on par with a tricked out SP10 Mk2. I happened to like the DP80 better when I owned both, however. TT101 would be more like competition for the DP80. |
