Speakers as the principle component/other components are servants


Speakers  hold the Kingship in our overall  audio systems. 
I think my recent posts have substaniated  this thesis, well at least my opinion of sorts.
This OP  came to me after reading  through some of (most of what is too deep for my understanding) 
pedro's 
topic
**Why is science a  starting point, yet not the end point?*
Meaning science gives us all sorts of parimeters, specs, graphs and such. Most of which we have no clue how to interpret, 
All we ae concerned is , **how does the speaker actually sound**.

Pedro suggests science has let us down, that science, if it was so intelligent, why can't science tell us which speaker is the superior and which the inferior sound???
Obvioulsy science is not the end all /be all.
Its only a  tool, human sensibilities come in  at the very end to say
Yea 
or worse
Nay
I say nay
to all/eversy xover design in the fq's ,,ohh say 800hz = 15khz.
Yeah I know thats a  massive chuck of our music.
As many of you know i make very long winded posts 
But actually I reduce them to make them more readable and so folks don't lose  interest. 
~~~So cut to the chase.
We accept high tech in every aspect of our lives.
You name it, super high tech is there,. Had you told us back in 1965, folks would be walking around with telephones, sending pics/videos,,we'd all laugh you at your face  as scifi fantasy.

~~~Long story short.

The new  wide band /high sensitivity speaker technology. What gives?
Why the denial it exists?
Why the fear to inquisite?
Why the lack of interest?
Why the rejection?

Speakers  will crown your system with beauty Or else render it as distortion/low fidelity.

Tweak/,od/upgrade all you want, at how much you care to spend $$$$$ ($40K!!!) on cables etc. 
Ain;'t going to make hardly even a  miniscle gain in sonics, if the speakers are ~~faulty~~  due to  low sensitivity.
Bass woofers, I'll grant low sens Seas and Scaspeaks high end woofers  a  stunning succcess.
Above 800hz,  I have issues with any driver neededing a  xover.
I tag these fq's with xovers. The Wet Blanket sound. Sounds mechanical, like   compressed music,, comming from a  box.
Squeezed, contorted, tiny soundstage, strained fq's  if vol is over 10 oclock. = fatigue/Coloration  in abundance.  
Many fq's of the source, missing in action. 
I am not suggesting  these new wide band is for everyones taste. Not at all. Only that we should at least give these wide band a   consideration as a  possible alternative to our old  traditional ideas.

Inqusisitiveness is a good thing in  all things audio. 
Without  a  healthy  curiousity, we putrefy , stagnate.
 Even  Worse
we might miss out on the super high fidelty we all hope to hear one day in our systems by this neglect  of the new high technology in speaker design. . 

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mozartfan
"Had you told us back in 1965, folks would be walking around with telephones, sending pics/videos,,we'd all laugh you at your face as scifi fantasy."

I was reading Philip K. Dick in 1965. Nothing in the subsequent 56 years has surprised me.




In any/every scientific fields, the new  ideas are always embraced , so long as they are proven to be of superior value vs the old.
Not saying new is always the better. 
The new ought to be compared and tested against the old. 
Thing is  the really true *old tech*  = the original speakers, actually had no xovers, Xovers were invented by a   a  industry  whose objective was to make mass produced, commercialized, comsumerized, **Loud-speakers*
It was all about the money factor.
There was no way the labs could make mass produced Field Coils, or all alnico magnet speakers.
Speakers were developed around the 
 Labor/material = cost factor = The Profit factor.  
Speakers with basic magnets /paper cones, a  few cheap xover parts, some composite board veneer. Assembly line production  . Add in a  burgeoning   baby boomer gen now comming into  their own, with credit cards. The muisc industry was taking off, enticing the fans to want nice home stereos.
There was money to be made. Just advertise and they'll buy, if not put the speakers on sale, **wow I just got a  great deal*.

Jensen has some FC's and  Magnovox/Zeinth has console stereos with some nice alnico magnets, 

But with R*R hitting the charts,  the fans were not so much interested in fidelity, only *nice sounding speakers*, 
We had no idea what fidelity really was.
The fidelity of the FC's of the 1920's was longgg gone, although as I say,  Jensen attempted to stay faithful to that original true fidelity design. 
But it was not to last.
Low cost drivers, cheap xover parts,, all made the higher sens speakers less than a novelty. 
Remember the speakers from the late 1970's...,,, most were just boom box LOUD speakers. 
The acoustic Research and the Philps 3 way's called 475's (I  bought the 375's 2 ways, as i did not want the harsh midrange, *bark*)  These 2 were probably the best of the whole pack of LOUD-speakers.
The dome tweeter in the Philips, was one heck of  a   live sounding tweeter. My tech geek swears by that tweeter to this day. 
But I moved on to the Seas, Millennium which beats out the Philips by alot.
Point is, speaker technology whether for good or bad, is always moving reforming, remolding to what the public demands and/or can afford.
As long as the new fails to be recognized, this holds up funds flowing into this research to take the new technology even further. 

Not really sure if these new wide band can go futher.
Seems to me they have reach the ultimate reaches of this craftmanship. 

These masters of speaker design have done their work

Its only left to us to  inquire and test their results vs our xover  speakers.
Like old friends, they have served us well,.  maybe its time to say goodbye. 
I did., its really not so hard to do, Once you actually heard a  higher sensitivty speaker
Not so difficult at all. 
What a  relief when i dumped the brand new Millennium  tweets ina  Ebay sale 2 hour ad SOLD, $300 FREE SHIP, Paid $700. 
What a  relief those things are gone, 
the worlds best sounding dome tweeter, history.... at a  miserable 87 db. 
Been there Done that. 
20 yrs of your horrible wet blanket  voice. 

Adious amigo. 


I was reading Philip K. Dick in 1965. Nothing in the subsequent 56 years has surprised me.

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Well then, we should not at all be surprised at how  consumerism/commercialism has also  penetrated and mesmerized the general  audiophile community going on now some 50 years, that xover designs with their miserably low sensitivity  are quite acceptable as **high fidelity*, We've been scammed, frauded out our   hard earned  audio budget's not being aware we;'ve been drinking their snakeoil.

Nothing should surprise us about so called *modern man* and his un-reflective decision making processes. 
While I don't dispute that speakers-- and the right choice to match one's particular taste and complement of components and the room acoustics-- is of primary importance, The choice of amplifier has a HUGE impact on the sound.  I have been surprise by how much certain amplifiers seem to elevate the quality of almost every speaker that is attached to that amp.  No doubt it has to do with my particular taste, but, it is amazing to me that certain amplifiers will almost always sound good to me with a wide variety of speakers.  For me, it is low-powered pushpull 6L6 amps that do the trick (particularly Western Electric 124-type amps).  

Likewise, there are certain speakers that seem to be "magically" transformed when coupled to the "right" amp.  I have heard speakers that I did not particularly like, become  dramatically better sounding when a particular amp replaced another amp of good reputation; synergy is obviously a big factor.  I would relegate amp choice to a minor role--to me, the right amp is WAY up there in importance.