Talk but not walk?

jf47t,

Some of you get it (I think), but the majority of posters still haven’t a clue

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Y’know....

If I had tried to communicate an idea and the majority of people reading it didn’t have a clue about what I was saying, if I was honest with myself the first thing I’d ask is: Hmm...maybe some of the problem lies with me. It looks like I probably didn’t communicate my idea clearly enough.

That seems like a more intellectually honest way to evaluate the problem, rather than to always presume the problem lies in most other people, and to find ways to cast aspersions at those who didn’t understand (as negative, trolls, etc), instead of go back to the drawing board and try to clarify the meaning for those who are asking.

I wonder why MG and the rest of the tuners seem unable to take any responsibility for the pages of confusion that have resulted from their method of discourse.

MG said this is exactly what would happen (watch) on this thread. Here’s the OP

Wait...Michael Green created an obviously contentious thread, knowing it would be contentious???!!!

That’s it, you’ve convinced all of us! Michael is BRILLIANT!!!!!!

Thanks so much for repeating the OP. It worked so well the first time (and the second and third), I can see why you want to keep reposting it.

BTW jf47t, if I implied you were lying about something, wouldn’t it be incumbent upon me to explain exactly what you are lying about...rather than just throw out the accusation? Isn’t that bit of decency what integrity demands?

On that note: Is there any reason you can’t bring yourself to answer the question I asked: If I am"faking it"(as Michael and other tuners have continually implied) in this audio hobby...what am I faking? 

What, for instance, have I claimed to do or know, that you know to be false or a deception?

His ideas became...unsound.

https://youtu.be/5lKHIL1eSVU

Did @jf47t just repeat the entire OP dissertation?  Brilliant.
Repetition...repetition...repetition...repetition...
Sort of a longer version Maha Mantra for the tuning sect of HEA

Nice YouTube @geoffkait  - I hope you are not suggesting it is time to paint our faces and send a boat up the river

mitch,

Indeed.  And if we think this style of blind repetition and rhetorical emptiness is bad enough here...imagine the Tuneland forum! 

Though perhaps everyone there employs their Third Eye to communicate on a higher level than us mere mortals. 

prof,

If it is of any consolation to you, most of the people here do understand your points. We may not all agree with some of your approaches all the time, but that is some healthy diversity, I hope. However, I still think you are wasting your energy on trying to prove your points. Whoever has been following this thread has already joined one of the three camps (yours, Michael Green's, or the middle one). Answers you are asking for will never come. Two of you are simply on two parallel lines, each one right and straight on his own, but never to meet. To me, Michael Green is like some picture of a renaissance man who does many things and does them out of passion or for whatever purpose he has for it. Electronics, carpentry, playing music live, studio work, debating (not your way, though), above average cars with some flair, traveling, having a diverse life along the way, and what not. You, however, bring the structured standards of 21st century and expect him to abide by them. That will not work. His approach clashes with what you are expecting big time. You, or anybody else, do not know if he is intentionally avoiding your questions or has no idea what you are even talking about and simply cannot answer. He openly admitted that he was not pursuing credentials so he may not be that familiar with approach you have. It does not matter if his claims about tuning are correct or not.

I am not trying to defend Michael Green at all. I am just observing as disparity between two camps has become so wide that it may be something else than stubbornness or arrogance at play. I mostly deal with people for whom your scientific approach is like drinking water, but I do have a number of friends who are highly educated and very intelligent who would be unfamiliar with methods you are requesting. They are just not in the field that uses such a methodology. Now, imagine someone not that young (forgive me if I am wrong, Michael, I do not know your age but have a feeling you are not underage) so has his ways already carved, with strong personality, beliefs based on his experience, and no formal education that forced him to go through the methods you are asking about in tuning. You cannot expect the person to jump up and down and give you p value of capacitor differences. Of course, the idea behind the OP is vague to me, too, and both of you can argue about it as much as you please.