The Audio Science Review (ASR) approach to reviewing wines.


Imagine doing a wine review as follows - samples of wines are assessed by a reviewer who measures multiple variables including light transmission, specific gravity, residual sugar, salinity, boiling point etc.  These tests are repeated while playing test tones through the samples at different frequencies.

The results are compiled and the winner selected based on those measurements and the reviewer concludes that the other wines can't possibly be as good based on their measured results.  

At no point does the reviewer assess the bouquet of the wine nor taste it.  He relies on the science of measured results and not the decidedly unscientific subjective experience of smell and taste.

That is the ASR approach to audio - drinking Kool Aid, not wine.

toronto416

@knownothing 

Amir’s conclusion actually says “So if you have audible mains related interference that is above a few hundred Hertz, then the PSM156 may have an effect”, which is decidedly less dogmatic than my friend @samureyex.  If you read Amir’s stuff on other power conditioning products, what he pretty consistently argues is that AC filtering is usually unnecessary because well-engineered products always have, and must have, power filtering built in that occurs before the conversion of AC to DC.  

My take is that in your use case, you are arguing that the interaction of multiple devices has generated noise that has been dumped back into the AC mains, and that one or more of your devices has failed to filter that noise before conversion to DC.  And this would be very easy to measure.  Now Amir, who can get dogmatic himself at times, might argue that any gear that fails to filter out that noise is poorly engineered.  I have a different view.  

I have alot of tube gear, which is far more susceptible to noise than solid state, particularly when you’ve got the low level signal involved with an analog front end.  I’ve had annoying noise gremlins that required a fair amount of experimenting to eliminate.  In one case, I ended up actually having to remove a filtering device that was somehow adding noise, and replacing it with a simple star-grounded power strip.  During my experiments, I came up with a crude but effective way of measuring my results: I used a db sound meter app on my phone and held the phone next to the speaker while turning up volume to 12:00.  My control sample was my digital front end, which even with all my tubes was very quiet.  I then would do the same when I engaged my tube phono pre into the system, trying all my different power combinations.  As I said, crude, but highly effective (for me anyway).  YMMV.

One thing everyone can agree on about ASR is that they should really ditch the panther. Odd that they haven't been sued.

@devinplombier    I agree, Owens Corning has to pay to use the panther. You think Amir is paying to use the panther, I doubt it.

You think Amir is paying to use the panther, I doubt it.

Sure he paid, he bought it.  Its his panther.

@mdalton +1

I suggest it is not just gear that is susceptible to effects of noise or responsible for generating noise, but also interactions between low and high current cables (AND THEIR CONNECTORS) that are operating in close proximity to each other and may create distortion, slight changes in timing or actual signal loss.  Until everything is hooked up together, you really don’t know what you got.

kn