The Placebo Effect


One of the things that should be taken into account in the evaluation of audio equipment, tweaks, etc is the Placebo Effect.

In the medical world, Placebos (open label or concealed) appear to mostly work on subjective symptoms, such as pain. They don’t work on an objective symptom — something a doctor could see or diagnose, such as a fracture on a bone. Placebos don’t shrink tumors, they don’t change your diabetes, and they’re not going to actually lower your blood pressure for more than 15 minutes, Basically, placebos appear to work on things that pass through the brain’s perceptual systems — where they can prompt the release of opioids and other endorphins (chemicals that reduce pain) in the brain. Bottom line, placebos can result in perceived improvement even where no actual improvement exists.

The same applies to our hobby. Probably too often, we sense improvement in SQ because of the Placebo Effect. Our money spent, hardware bias's, effective marketing, or being influenced by the experience of others (regardless if true), often have us believe that we have obtained improvements that don't really exist. This is not necessarily a bad thing because a perceived improvement, whether real or imagined is still an improvement to the listener. This may explain part of why certain "improvements" can't be measured. 

J.Chip
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The placebo effect is definitely a thing and it most definitely applies to a lot of the decision making applied to high end audio.
Every perception is constituted by the brain with habit and bias, with an history, with fear and hope, then placebo is creative part of any perception...

But those who oppose placebo effect to explain any audible experience in audio remind me of those who explain walking by the different types of shoes, sandals,boots..... Hearing is not placebo mainly, and walking is not shoes mainly ...

But nobody walk the same in big boot and loose sandal....

Nobody hear the same looking at a 100000 bucks system and before a 1000 bucks one... Same Ears not the same hearing.... Same feet but not the same walking... placebo and look and style count for much in the 2 cases.... 😊😁

Then opposing placebo against any audible experience is not even wrong.... Most of the times it is simply beside the point...

It is only a weapon for the children in the "skeptic scientism boy club" to use against audiophiles....it explain nothing most of the times save very small borderline audible difference....

You cannot create a top audio experience or experiment with placebo effect ONLY.....Save if you use market hypnosis method for sure but it is another story.... I never bought upgrade anyway.... I prefer homemade embeddings controls....


My best to you....
Mahgister, I am a realist, you are a mysticist and that is why Howard Johnson's made 28 flavors. 
Mahgister, I am a realist, you are a mysticist and that is why Howard Johnson’s made 28 flavors.
I cannot contradict you here....

But even if you are right and you are about our 2 characters, acoustic is acoustic and all my points made sense....

By the way a good mystic MUST  also be a realist but the inverse is less frequent...

My deepest regards....
It is 2021 Gentlemen,

When the piano tuner shows up, especially if they are near the top of their game and called on to tune concert pianos, then the first thing they will pull out is a modern electronic tuning device. Humans are too inconsistent, and too slow to be trusted to tune the most critical instruments.
It is 2021 Gentlemen,

When the piano tuner shows up, especially if they are near the top of their game and called on to tune concert pianos, then the first thing they will pull out is a modern electronic tuning device. Humans are too inconsistent, and too slow to be trusted to tune the most critical instruments.
The main point in the debate is not what A.I. could do for you..... But what can you do without it....

A piano tuner can discuss with the demand of the pianist in a way a computer specialized tuner cannot....

Save if the electronically tuning piano computer is coupled to an ACOUSTICAL A.I. analyser able to analyse the sound of this specific piano for this specific hall or room....

No great pianist will use a mechanical tuning....

But perhaps they will use the A. I. i just described....

But ask yourself a question : what will become of humans if they BELIEVE that A. I. are more intelligent than them ?


By the way i dont believe that a.I. are more "intelligent" than us in a general way of speaking one second...

Giulio Tononi one of the great neuroscentist point out that the scale of "intelligence" intersect the scale of consciouness but they do not confuse in one another...

Then it is easy to predict the future like did Ray Kurzweil with is "singularity" myth...

This myth is very potent and A.I will be very "intelligent"....

Then the question is : what are we?

 By the way i dont live in this 2021 year you speak about....Time is very overvalued... 😊