The price of used LP's.


Am I just lucky in living in an area with a lot of little record shops, where I regularly find LP’s from the 1950’s, 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s in Near Mint condition, priced from as low as $3 to $10 (occasionally above, but anything above $10 I usually already have)?

I ask because in today’s email from Audiophile USA, the following Kinks (amongst my very favorite 1960’s UK Groups) LP’s were included in the offerings:

 

- Something Else By The Kinks, this copy with a small "cut-out" rivet installed in its’ cover. Listed price $95. By the time I had opened the email, the LP had already sold. Luckily I still have the 3-color/steamship label Reprise copy I bought new in 1968 for $2.99.

- Face To Face (mono U.S. pressing), with "some crease wear on top and spine, hence price", which is $140. I don’t need it (I have an original mono UK Pye Records copy), so it’s all yours.

- Face To Face (this copy stereo), with cut-our rivet, $125.

 

What I DO know is that I started buying LP’s (I don’t like calling it "collecting") early enough that I already own most of the LP’s that are now selling for these kind of prices. How ’bout you?

bdp24

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@sns: Having traded in some LP’s at the shops I patronize, I know how they can afford to sell them for $3-$10: they pay only $1-$3 for trade-ins!

Vinyl Community member Norman Maslov ("Mazzy") posted a new YouTube video yesterday talking about his ongoing project of cataloging his LP library (like myself, he doesn’t like the term collection) in the Discogs database. Check it out if that sounds of interest to you.

I too have about 3500 LP’s (and the same number of CD’s, on the opposite wall of my music room), and as Mazzy says, trying to read all the small scribbles in the dead wax (the blank space between the last groove and the center label) of LP’s is a real pita. There are little magnifiers with LED lights listed on Amazon, which I am planning on including in my next order.

@whart: Yeah Bill, the hardest-to-find titles in my wants list will most likely never be found locally, but hope springs eternal. What I find locally are albums I either somehow missed (the John Simon), or common titles that I wasn't interested in at the time of their original release.

I've done some buying on Discogs, but the seller standards of grading condition are often below that of mine, even when they grade an LP as Near Mint, which you would think universal. Nope, 'fraid not. I am not interested in any but Near Mint or better LP's. If I have to wait to find a title, that's fine. I already have enough albums to keep me busy for the rest of my life.

What I value most in the Vinyl Community YouTube videos is learning of artists or albums of which I have been unaware. Also comparisons between different pressings of the same title, and news of upcoming releases. All the good online sellers are great about announcing upcoming releases, both new and reissue. There has never been a time better for being an LP consumer than now!

@edcyn: Put your covers in clear plastic outer sleeves; makes ’em look much more valuable ;-) . A guy in Canada is making some great ones (company name Vinyl Storage Solutions), featuring his patented "Double Pocket" (available in both 2mil and 4mil versions). The jacket goes in one pocket, the LP in the other; no more fumbling to cram the LP back into the cover. It’s changed my life!

 

@johnto: Good point. Mazzy has made the point that if you buy a first copy of an album, in just acceptable condition---then a second in better condition---and finally a third, a really clean copy---you have by then spent more than you would for a newly remastered version of the album.

There are some out there---and even here on Audiogon---who have for whatever reason---some legitimate---come to believe that new 180g LP reissues are "hype". All of them? Sure, if you are buying a new reissue of an album from one of the majors---either in a store or from, say, Amazon---you may get a piece of junk. Warped, noisy, poor sound quality, etc. The majors have always put profit above quality.

Those are NOT the reissues you want to be consider buying. There are a dozen small reissue companies making the best LP’s the world has ever seen---uh, heard. Everyone if familiar with some of them, if only Mobile Fidelity. There is one stubborn fool (now banished from Audiogon) who---after hearing one bad MoFi from back in the days before the company was sold to Music Direct, who hired the best mastering engineers in the world, and had Tim de Paravicini upgrade their entire mastering chain (he also did Pink Floyd’s London studio)---declared all MoFi’s to sound bad. Had he heard any Mo-Fi LP’s made in this century? It would appear not. Of course this same fella declared the loudspeaker he had just ordered to be better than any other costing ten times as much. You know, that kind of guy.

Most of the music I am interested in has not been reissued, and is far too "cult" level to ever be so (no one is going to reissue either John Simon albums). I have sprung for good reissues of albums that 1- I love to death, and 2- Have recorded sound quality high enough to warrant an "Audiophile"-level reissue. The three Ry Cooder’s on MoFi, for instance.

The Band’s debut Music From Big Pink was originally done by MoFi back in its’ early days, and was not good sounding (neither is their Beatles boxset). Their second stab at the album (done around 2012, I believe) is a very different story. Capitol’s original LP’s are severely compromised in sq: frequencies below 100Hz, Levon Helm’s kick drum and Rick Danko’s electric bass drastically emasculated. The second MoFi used the original multi-track masters, and restored the missing-in-action lower frequencies. Also, the Capitol LP’s are God-awful pressings, so noisy I ordered a copy of MFPB from England, the E.M.I. LP sounding much better. The second MoFi is even better in that regard as well.

The other companies doing great reissues include Analogue Productions, Speakers Corner, Intervention, Craft, a number of others. Not just 180g vinyl (it’s actually PVC ;-), but longer pressing time including the "cool down" phase (to prevent warps), better-than-original covers, plastic inner sleeves, high-quality electronics, etc. Engineers include Bernie Grundman, Shawn Britton, Kreig Wunderlich, Kevin Gray, and Ryan K.Smith. LP’s are pressed at either QRP in Salina Kansas (the Miles Davis estate uses QRP exclusively), Pallas or Optimal in Germany, or RTI in California. Great, great LP’s, the best the world has ever seen.

For verification, compare any copy of Cat Stevens' Tea For The Tillerman (including the original "pink label" UK Island pressing) with the reissue by Analogue Productions. If you don't prefer the reissue, you need a better hi-fi ;-) ..

 

I also brought home one of John Simon's two albums, Journey (Warner Brothers). John is best known for producing the first two albums of The Band, but he also did the debut albums of Leonard Cohen and The Electric Flag (the only one Al Kooper as leader), as well as Big Brother & The Holding Company's Cheap Thrills.

I don't even remember John's two albums coming out in the early-70's, only learning of them from Mazzy (Norman Maslov) in one of his excellent Vinyl Community YouTube videos. I'm sure this album sold no more than a few thousand copies back then, yet this one---the first I've ever seen---cost me only $15. The cover is in only about VG condition, but the disc is Near Mint.

I also brought home Richie Furay's I Still have Dreams (produced by Val Garay, and featuring the playing of The Section: Russell Kunkel, Leland Sklar, Waddy Wachtel, and Craig Doerge. Mastered by Doug Sax.), and Norton Buffalo's Desert Horizon (executive producer Steve Miller. Norton's accompanists include John McFee, Mickey Hart, Bill Champlin, Nicolette Larson, The Tower Of Power Horns, Bobby Black, and drummer Gary Mallaber), both in NM condition and priced at $2.99 each (minus my senior discount. The Goodwill Store cashier didn't ask for I.D. Guess I AM getting old ;-).