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@erik_squires wrote:

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Not saying that part cost is the determinant factor in sound quality but rather that a DIYer has significant incentive to achieve excellent results  which would otherwise be out of their reach.

Also, I have long ago given up the belief that $$$$ means quality or desirability for me. Sometimes more expensive is better but many times it is not. A true audiophile in my mind can tell the difference.

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I remember what the late Peter Snell achieved with cheap drivers in the AII's. It wasn't a case of luck or "one in a million," but rather careful selection, great implementation and design. He spent money and effort where it mattered sonically, not that the AII's were cheap per se, but by today's standard I'd wager they were.

I bought my studio installation amps 2nd hand. Their "audiophile" edition aimed at the hifi market, acquired new, sets one back 20x as much compared to what I shelled out per amp, and yet they're essentially similar in construction and overall execution. I heard them head to head, and they are indeed virtually similar sounding. Where they weren't by a smidgen you'd fool yourself believing the hifi edition was necessarily preferable. Believe me, it was splitting hairs. 

The need for über-built amps from the likes of D'agostino and others would appear to be grown mainly from hideously difficult "highend" speaker loads, passively configured with complex crossovers with a sponge-like ability to suck up power. Talk about bottleneck effect and nurturing a select segment of amp business. A friend of mine uses two bridged studio amps (very similar to ones I use) for a total of 3.6kW per channel into notoriously difficult-to-handle passive speakers. Now there's power in reserve, as there should be for any desired SPL, as well as a sound more freed and less restrained, but it took a whole lot of (quality) power to get there.

On the other hand remove the passive crossover for active configuration, as another friend of mine did with similar speakers, and it meant the world in harnessing even higher potential from the associated amps - as well as, in effect, the speakers themselves. It means seeing what you have potentially thrive sonically this way, significantly so. 

DIY grants the opportunity to realize designs that aren't readily available commercially, if at all - let alone at prices that are within grasp to "mere mortal." Skewing the typical segment of audiophile products can save you a lot of money - requiring an open, unbiased mind, that is. Buying 2nd hand, obviously. Going outboard active is also an element of DIY. Don't indulge in the audiophile market and its mechanisms. Challenge it; go rogue, and let the ears do the talking. 

I think more of brand confidence than snob appeal. Even if buying entry level, one hopes that a brand that makes lauded high end speakers provides the best quality components top to bottom of their offerings. This is no always the case. 

Yes, room, and tastes, and system integration,  but if you're spending $100k on speakers and can't find what you like, I think someone suggested Bose?  More seriously stated, we have unprecedented amazing speaker choices available to us now. 

I think it's more difficult at the low to midfi range, and for me, fortune favors the brave. Buy used and even old. For $1200 my legendary highly engineered KEF 107's are extremely tough to beat with great full range capabilities. My crossovers may have some rust on them, but they're weight would crush any current $1200 speaker crossover.  KEF is a brand to be confident in and new products such as LS50 appear to provide good value. 

Some manufacturers take advantage of their brand,  and while they provide nice sounding speakers,  they use the cheapest parts and charge the highest price possible on entry level products. 

It can be scarier to choose a smaller company, an internet direct company, especially one that appears to have few or even one employee,  but if you dont want to put all your money into overhead, I think that is the way to go. Is it nice to think that there is a huge team developing the best speaker?   Maybe. Even large companies will tout the great single engineer that developed their speaker. 

I think it's pretty well established that one or two people can design and build a fantastic speaker. The trick is finding the person designing that likes the sound signature you like. For me that is currently the very first home audio design by Daedalus. The best I have heard in my house ever. Caveat, I would not pay the $10-15k these would cost new though I think they're worth it versus other $10k original retail speakers I have heard. If I had that much money,  I would wait for a better used set of Daedalus to go up for sale. 

I used to steer clear of the smaller companies with supposed great speakers. If they're so great, why isn't everyone buying them?  The better of these companies are usually in high demand for what they can produce and actually back-ordered.  Salk Sound is an example of producing very high quality speakers and cabinets and always back ordered, until now going out of business with no one to take over. I suppose there's concern of long term support,  but I've yet to need support from any speaker manufacturer and many like Salk don't make their own drivers. 

Another one who, like Salk, uses same drivers as manufacturers such as Joseph Audio, is Tyler Acoustics.  I've yet to get a pair, but you can sometimes find some used at price of high end drivers, let alone crossovers and cabinets.  You'll never find that value with big name brands, and Tyler speakers are highly regarded. 

Even better than DIY, buy a used set of DIY for less than the cost of the parts after the builder moves on to the next project. Make sure you pay low since resale of DIY is the lowest of the low. I think this is a good example where more value is put on brand confidence than sound quality, but may have nothing to do with snobbery of brand or lack thereof if not a kit. Again the idea, if it's so great, why doesn't everyone DIY?  Also, lack of reviews, etc.

Hi, y'all....while 'tire-kicking' various 'n sundry and underway....

Have or has anyone 'been experienced' with:

...Anything from.... ?

Ribbon/amt/Walsh nitwit that I is, I'm curious if there's any IRL feedback re NFR drivers/units, other than the 'customer feedbacks' at their site...

They rarely show up on any sell/swap site, TMK...

Either they're capable of 'mind melds' that turn one into a NFRzombie, or good 'nuff to be a well-kept secret....both of which is unlikely, given the noted continued existence and general rise in $ (US or CN) plus expansion of offerings...

Anyone in the Great White North willing to spill the beans 'n bourbon 'bout this?

Curious mind = curious behaviours.....;)

Pre-thanx, J

@jtgofish

I wouldn't try to build a solid wood speaker cabinet - the kit or plan speakers are no doubt engineered from more uniform materials such as mdf or ply. However, I would perhaps use fine woods for corner accents. I do have some very good .75" thick cherry veneered mdf that is calling out for a speaker build.

I do remember a solid wood Klipsch speaker from the early 90's that was a Roy Delgado design - it was one the CF series and some of them were made from solid, clear quartersawn oak - a material uniform enough to work with predictably from an acoustic standpoint. The solid wood one was considered the best of the series. When I was looking for these on Ebay years ago I found one of the solid wood ones (I could see that from photo inside the cabinet,)  but it was more than I wanted to pay at the time.

https://www.audioasylum.com/reviews/Speakers/Klipsch/CF-4-EPIC-SERIES/HUG/48564.html

@bolong

Respectfully, I will have to disagree with you on this one. I have owned a pair of Klipsch CF 4 for almost 15 years and I feel pretty certain that none were produced from solid wood of any type, unless of course that was done by an owner as an aftermarket enhancement. The reason that you may have been led to think so is that the cabinets and braces (not including the front baffle and the back wall) are made from .75" plywood. Mine are the version I which was considered to be the best, and just as Roy Delgado wanted them to be. I’ve had plenty of opportunity to study them because I am currently having the crossovers redone and rewiring them as well as refinishing the cabinets.