Those who seek to deny access to information

@nonoise -

                      You mean there can never be any consensus?

     I’ve been hanging around this site, for 12 years now, as well as staying abreast of the debates, between the most esteemed theorists of various scientific fields of endeavor, for several decades.

     Regardless of the scientific facts that have been established, through experimentation, improved measurement methods and testing, over those decades; some (Classical) Physicists still want the universe to make sense.

                                        But (largely): it doesn’t.

     SO (likewise): the same brand of convoluted, stale arguments and you’re absolutely correct:

This is one popular topic that never fails to get old as it’s always popping up and never, ever resolved.

 

With a little bit of digging there exists more than sufficient measurements and certifications (if necessary) available about cables and fuses from responsible and reputable manufacturers.

All in about one or two lines of information.

Problem is that they don’t cost anywhere near enough. That surely can’t be right, can it?

Yeah @noske when there are no specs I get hairs on my neck twitching.

Even a 25 cent fuse meets spec, but the SR ones, have not UL rating, and teh snake oil cables are also cloaked in a lack of specs.

I think it is pretty obvious our educational system is not working.

That is a great line @mijostyn 

My thread about the prototype discs was taken down.

Saw that and was quite surprised.

Maybe for venom being spewed (looks bad for the site)?   Maybe Agon taking a tougher stand wanting vendors to pay for advertisements?   Just guessing.

You generally have to violate a rule for something to get deleted or OPs can delete their own threads.

Most threads about products where people don't get carried away tend to stick around.

Once again:

     No one can possibly tell you whether/how your system, room and/or ears will respond to some new addition.   There are simply too many variables.

     LIKEWISE: no one can possibly know whether a new addition (ie: some kind of disc, crystal, fuse, interconnect, cable, etc)  will make a difference, in their system and room, with their media and to their ears, without actually TRYING them for themselves.   

     Some companies offer a 30 Day Satisfaction Guarantee, so- those that are actually interested, have absolutely nothing to lose, by trying (experimenting with) such.     

     Anyone that knows anything about the sciences, realizes that something like 96% of what makes up this universe, remains a mystery.       

     For centuries; humanity’s seen, heard, felt and otherwise witnessed phenomena, that none of the best minds could explain, UNTIL they developed a science or measurement, that could explain it.     

     The Naysayer Church wants you to trust their antiquated science (1800’s electrical theory) and faith-based, religious doctrine, BLINDLY ("Trust ME!"). 

     Theories have never proven or disproven anything.  It’s INVARIABLY testing and experimentation that proves or disproves theories/hypotheses.   

    IF you’re interested in the possibility of improving your system’s presentation, have a shred of confidence in your capacity for perceiving reality and trust your own senses: actually TRY whatever whets your aural appetite, FOR YOURSELF.         

                      The Naysayer Church HATES it, when THAT happens! 

                                         btw: tommylion= +1 (overall)

@rodman99999 really?
Who is making it some kind of competition?

And back to the 1800s, I do not believe that we had amplifiers, nor phono amps. It is not like engineers that design these things since the mid 1900s were using incantations and Magic spells.

It is about the farthest thing from a church, on the naysayer side. It is more like a church on the “trust me” side.

I am not against the idea of some of the stuff working, but when the manufacturer cannot explain how they work, then it gets a bit hard to abide taking a chance on.

Similarly when the cables have no specs, it get difficult to want to try them.

If you want to donate to their cause, no one is stopping you. I’d rather spend on hardware.

@ozzy :

I guess the basic question I have is:

How do I post an experience with a product?

Only if both following conditions are met for said product:

1) You have measurements as well as blind test results certified by a third party to back up your experience. Otherwise you are just hallucinating (placebo, gullibility, and such) or outright shilling

2) It’s very cheap. Preferably free. Otherwise, you are a phool to pay so much money for something other than something else that can measure just as good and is much cheaper.

Only then you can share any experiences. 😜😬

You know: nobody is interested in your experiences. I request and demand PROOF! 😫🙄😡😤🤬😠😖