Those who seek to deny access to information


Like many/most here, one of the main reasons I frequent audiogon is to gather information. I am looking for ways to enhance the enjoyment I get from listening to music on my system. The information most valuable to me comes from those who share their actual experience with products that I am interested in, but have not heard in my system.

The audio community is a diverse one, with many opinions, ideas and perspectives. Many of them differ from mine, and that is fine. Those who disagree with me are free to make posts and start threads about whatever they choose. This doesn’t bother me, I am free to choose what I read, and what I don’t.

What does rile me up up is deliberate attempts to deny me (and others) access to the information that I value. There are some here who repeatedly seek to disrupt, sidetrack, derail, and shut down conversations about topics and products that trigger them. They do not contribute any useful information or experience to the discussion, and make disparaging comments about things they have zero experience with. They are bullies who mock, ridicule and provoke those who use, make and sell certain products. They seek to stifle any discussions about, and especially positive opinions of, the products and people they clearly have a vendetta against.

They can start their own threads, and talk about what a fool I am all day long, I don’t care. Their deliberate and repeated attempts to deny myself and others access to the information we value, however, are intolerable.

tommylion

regarding the posting of a user system, i have the following thoughts

- i can see both sides of the equation... there are folks who show their gear, there are those that don’t -- for either stance, there are right (honorable) and wrong (dishonorable) reasons for doing so

- for active participants here, i feel on balance it is good to show their gear, their setup... as it is indicative of their experience level, their depth of knowledge, their degree of commitment to the pursuit -- especially if they give a lot of advice and share alot of knowledge here ... like one’s track record of buying and selling here, it shows a) we are dealing with a real person, b) that person has had real dealings with other enthusiasts, and if the feedback is good, that that person is a good person... you simply cannot fake a mountain of only positive feedback over years, and c) that person has been at this passion for some time, and there is a base of experience behind the posts they make

- of course posting gear can be taken too far, and some people do it for the wrong reasons, to boost their fragile egos, kind of modern currency in the sad ’look at me’ culture, mistaking that a person’s worth and knowledge is measured just by material things owned - that said, a good hifi is made of certain well selected things, these are indeed things that are necessary to reproduce lovely music in our abodes, so for a user to show those things fill out a picture of where that person is coming from...

- the problem i have is, as ozzy points out, is when there are folks who come here, post ALOT, usually to tell someone else they are wrong and need to shut-up, they don’t know what they are talking about, they are trying to pull wool over others’ eyes, some folks keep jabbing and sniping, without relent, tit for tat, again and again, must always have the last word (as if there is such a thing...) -- that gets old for many of us here, it makes us wonder, so mr. hotshot -- who the hell are you? what is the basis for the high horse you are riding? are you actually credible in what you say? what is the base of your experience? not posting a system in this case, not showing any track record, not showing you are a real person... is a problem

- end of day, i feel, you want to lay low, don’t show your gear, your track record, then lay low, and be more careful, modest, selective in your commentary, so as to stay consistent with these very values you claim to espouse -- don’t try to have it both ways, people here aren’t stupid, they see through it, see the b-s

my 2 cents

I thought everyone knew that If you take pictures of your equipment it will steal it’s soul, thus degrading it’s ability to reproduce music.

INTACTO

 

Too much people are preoccupied by OTHERS persona and not enough by ideas in audio or in any other fields..

I love everyone here even those who are "annoying" and very difficult to love...

Any being is interesting anyway...

I am only interested by book, ideas, and in audio, by acoustic...

Gear upgrade to me is a dead end if gear upgrade replace acoustic methods...

Because  many people dont discuss ideas in any matter but only gives impressions and communicate their taste about gear, i am less involved or less tempted to be involved...I never essentially in my thread be promoting mainly the gear itself  save for their  exceptional ratio quality/price...

Censorship, or insults put me away....

And childish divisions between objectivist obsessed by measures and subjectivist obsessed by their tastes are a creation of conflicting marketing methods, not basic audio listenings experiments, then much of all audio thread are way less appealing...

Anyway i listen music, my system is finished....Upgrading is ridiculously useless for me....Even for sure if it is always possible....My system is 500 bucks though and anything more costly seems to me useless consumerism because basic S.Q. is already mine; thanks especially to acoustic which is something that interest very few people because we need a dedicated room anyway...

I will come to discuss ideas....Not tastes or costly tweaks....😁😊

My respect to all....

 

 

Hey pesky_wabbit,

I see the Robertson 4010 amp sold for about $200 and the Marantz cd5000 for about $160. Isn’t that what you have? Nothing wrong with getting a deal.

I see the Roberson 4010 at one time was rated class C in Stereophile.

What do you think of it?

ozzy

so it looks like you have been desperately raking thru all my posts trying to find some muck you can throw to discredit me. Why does that not surprise me?

Well yes Ozzie my Robertson does sound pretty fine within its own power envelope next to my AR REF150SE and Ayre V-5xe. Admiitedly it does have a few audiophile doodads in it thanks to partsconnexion, but I’m a solder slinger from wayback and I just couldn’t resist the temptation. My Leben CS600 and AR Vsi60 make nice mid power tube options, while the Classe CAP 2100 isn’t bad for a higher powered integrated. As for my Naim/Exposure collection from my Brit period, it is far too extensive to list here. Then there is the stuff I built.

The Marantz CD5000, as Lucas Lampizator rightly points out is probably the CD player bargain of the century as I was trying to bring to the attention of cash strapped audiophiles on this forum - especially when you take the output straght from the DA chip and bypass all the nasty output circuitry. And yes, it does sound mighty fine, if slightly outclssed when put up against my Wadia or Meridian transport and any one of about five far more expensive DACs (Chord, PS,Schiit, Alpha). My old Naim CD5XS still sounds pretty good downstairs.

So there you have it Ozzie. Enough name dropping for you? do I make it into the club?

I know I’ve sure got a hoarding problem.

I forgot to mention that I have been building tube gear for over 50 years and do commissions (phono, line, pp, SETs), but I guess that wouldn’t count for much in your world.