Tonearm mount on the plinth or on Pillar ?


Folks,
I am looking to buy a custom built turntable from Torqueo Audio (http://www.torqueo-audio.it/). They have two models, one with a wide base plinth where the tonearm would be mounted on the plinth (as usual) and the second is a compact plinth where they provide a seperate tonearm pillar to mount the tonearm. According to them the separate tonearm pillar version sounds more transparent and quieter because of the isolation of the tonearm from the TT. My concern is whether seperating the tonearm from the plinth would result in a lesser coherence in sound ? Isnt sharing the same platform results in a more well-timed, coherent presentation ? Any opinions ?
pani

**Fleib, if I can offer a bit of advice, try to craft your posts in a way that it is not obvious that you are simply trying to make the other party wrong by ignoring facts. You will have greater success.**

My posts were based on the information you supplied or didn't. How can I ignore facts which weren't offered?  You were repeatedly asked details about the pod. Did you give them?

Assuming your results are what you say, why should we accept this as the last word on this matter?  Prominent table/arm designers have reached different conclusions.  You're more knowledgeable than Kuzma, Reed, or Torqueo Audio?

Reed site had a set of resonance numbers which favored the pod. They're gone now, but your anecdotes are fact?

Atmasphere, you've made your point and I think everyone understands it. Why don't you go back to tube design or mastering? Unless we can figure out why results differ, there's nothing more to say.


My posts were based on the information you supplied or didn't. How can I ignore facts which weren't offered?

Trying to make someone wrong is a simple technique, which weve seen on the web countless times. In so doing, the goal is not mutual understanding but simply trying to make someone else wrong solely for the sake of doing so. It does not further knowledge. IOW I don't agree that your posts were based on what you say- as far as I can see, you want me to be wrong and go away, simply so you can be right.

I'm not here to make you wrong; someone asked a real question and I answered it with the accepted and correct engineering principle. It does not matter to me beyond that, others might disagree, but they are not wrong because **I** don't agree with them, they are wrong because they lack the engineering understanding:

Assuming your results are what you say, why should we accept this as the last word on this matter? Prominent table/arm designers have reached different conclusions. You're more knowledgeable than Kuzma, Reed, or Torqueo Audio?

Reed site had a set of resonance numbers which favored the pod. They're gone now, but your anecdotes are fact?


To the latter: of course, but to be clear they are not anecdotal if backed up with the measurements; of which so far I seem to be the only one here to have caused their hand to move to get (and I hope the irony of this conversation is not lost on anyone....).

To the former: apparently, if you are saying by being correct on this subject I'm more knowledgeable, but I'm not under the illusion that because I am correct about  this that I know more than someone else. What's happening is I understand the engineering, that's all.

I've been designing tube stuff and mastering all along- no need to go back, I'm already there. I know why the 'results differ'.

It does seem though that this rather odious bubble has been popped and its contents safely dispersed without harm to the parties in the vicinity.

No strawman argument from me Ralph, at least not intentionally. I’m with ya, man! But in the different executions of a solid plinth offered by a multitude of turntable makers, all attempting to advance, or at least equal, the State Of The Art, there are varying degrees of success at achieving mechanical rigidity. I was merely acknowledging that reality.

The table I was referring to, by the way, is the Townshend Rock, the only table that locks the front end of the very long and flexible (in relation to the size of the LP groove) pickup arm onto the plinth, much as the back end is on all good tables. And that means every arm, no matter the design and quality. Makes other table designs look downright sloppy!

Halcro, you ask if I run OTL. Well, I did, and they sounded fine, but I decided on home brew, where cost is less of an object. Before building anything, I decided to optimize the system (instead of the pieces thereof), and found that I could improve system performance by using solid state Class A, push-pull, with low voltage rails, which allowed me to safely remove the now-redundant protection circuits from the ESL's.

Amps better than OTL? Don't know - but the system sure is.



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