Towers with built in subs vs separate subs


I debating on upgrading my paradigm founders 100f speakers to 120H speakers as they have built in subs and my space is limited. I would love to incorporateca a rel s510 but im concerned that i may not get my moneys worth out of it because placement is very limited.  I own rel ht1205 which i am very happy with for movies but i want something better for music. Plan is to remote my 1205 to the back of the room for movies and either trade up for the 120H paradigm with built in subs or add a s510 to my current paradigm 100 f's. 

Any thoughts?

 

sandrodg73

I think Anthem/founders is having a sale right now too and I just bought the mrx740 avr which comes with the room correction stuff. Thanks all for the help.  Now to pitch it to the wife....wish me luck

Man, new AVR and now you’re pitching new speakers AND room treatments? If you pull this off you either married extremely well or you’re my hero!  Best of luck with all this 🤞🤞🤞.

@lanx0003 Wrote:

A built-in subwoofer will perform better for music. The texture and pace of bass notes will better match with the main speakers.

I agree! My speakers have a built in woofer. 😎

Mike

@ditusa ,

That is not the case at all. For subwoofers to perform their best they need to be in multiples and positioned differently than the main speakers. Subwoofers can be integrated perfectly with appropriate time, phase and amplitude management. All done perfectly with digital bass management. What more effective than an analog crossover. 

Thanks!  She kinda went down the rabbit hole with me. She likes the tech end.  She actually bought the founder 90c center to contribute to the cause. 

Thanks again all!

fuzztone is exactly right. 

Ported or sealed no amount of room optimization, correction or equalization will ameliorate the sound stage optimized null location of your speakers and allow the ability of -3dB subwoofers their full potential for room and system integration and performance. 

Your REL isn't nearly as restricted by room positioning often placed next to speakers. Since their lowest frequencies are down -6dB sub-bass speakers simply do not excite a rooms modes like subwoofers, at the expense of extra low frequency detail and heft. 

Save your money and just use the REL.

In the mean time try and organize an in home comparison audition of dealer positioned Vandersteen Trio's. With your family present you'll easily hear Paradigm's coherence paradigm. For me this became a far greater priority after living with three of the Canadian's top models.