True or False?


The following is a common sentiment from some who claim to be audiophiles.

If you hear something but can’t measure it, you only think you heard a difference.

 

This notion is also common among people who claim to possess an accomplished understanding of audio, especially when achieving a high level of performance for a minimal investment.

So who’s right? On the one hand we have Objectivists who claim if you can’t measure it, you can’t possibly hear it or if you do, its expectation bias and self delusion. Are these people correct? Do they get as good as a sound, or better for far less money by ignoring cables, power cords, mechanical isolation, basically any accessory that many have found to dramatically improve performance despite a lack measurements? Do those who dismiss expensive digital to analog converters as being no better than rather common digital components with decent measurements get just as high a performance level as those of us with MSB and DCS? Do people who claim it’s all about finding perfect speaker placement, do these people outperform those of us with systems that cost multiples more than what they pay (Who also pay close attention to speaker placement as well as everything else)? Or do those of us who pay attention to cables— digital, analog, and power, what we set our components on top of, how we place our speakers, acoustics, and tweaks, expensive DACs and the like, do we get better sound? Who’s right? And how do we ultimately determine sound quality?

 

 

 

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funny how my collection of now ancient ( like me ) German microphones were conceived, designed and made by Measure AND Listen dudes……

My recording studio mentor says pick a microphone pick a flavor….one flavor is heavy murk, some people like it….

Carry on !

You guys prattling on about measurements, did you actually read my original post? Or is this just a reflexive, triggered reaction? The question isn’t measurements versus no measurements, or anti-measurement. The question is, do people who do everything, acoustics, measurements, and things like cables, accessories and higher end electronics for which there is not a sophomoric suite of measurements that prove anything, do we get better sound when we pay attention to everything versus guys who only address what can be measured and ignore everything else?

There were 8 question marks in the OP, excluding the one in the title.

That sort of concise literary rigour, sort of gets a tapas plate of responses.

Double blind tests prove otherwise, almost always in favor of the measurement crowd. 

The answer is obviously both. The rub begins when claims strain credulity. 

Marketing, puffery, infomercialism becoming substance. 

I can put Worcester sauce on chocolate cake and say it tastes superb.

Can't argue with that but the chefs know better. 

In response to your question Ted, 

I do think measurements are critical, but measurements do not always ensure the best sounding product. That is my experience.

If we take the case of the Border Patrol DAC mentioned here, its tube output stage, right? Tubes do bring a very appealing sound, and can add a touch of euphony. It measurements are said to be not that good. But that color can disguise a deficit in performance in other parameters.

The integrity of source signal / the streamed file , is critical. A DAC and amp that measures particularly well, and is well engineered to drive the source with a robust, complete signal, will sound right with an excellent signal. The problem is that so many recordings, or streaming services can fail to deliver the perfect signal. Thats when a product (such as the Border Patrol) can add some color and sound / and feel more involving.

Yes everything matters to ensure the best possible signal transfer without loss. My experience so far is that digital coax cables really do sound different. I have not found ethernet or USB cables to sound different. Then again I have not heard a high-end USB cable yet. 
 

BTW I have The SR  Music Cable DAC (which is a great sounding little DAC), also foundation speaker cables (3mtr) and cable risers (set of 4).