Upgrading Rega P9 + RB1000


I'm a novice in vinyl world. Just four months now with my current system; Rega P9 (with Ringmat) + RB1000 (with Expressimo Counterweight) + Benz Micro Ruby H. The phono cable is directly connected to the CAT SL1 Ultimate Preamp. I do not hear significantly better sound to compare with my digital source (Audio Aero Capitole MK2 CDP). More natural and superior dynamic, but woody coloration with no greater details.

Anyone recommend modification of my TT, like rewiring of the Rega's phono cable to Cardas or Incognito?
Any special isolation device?
Or Do I have to change it to an another TT?
yhyun

Showing 3 responses by dougdeacon

You have a fundamental mismatch between cartridge and phono stage. The CAT SL1 has a MM phono stage. It lacks sufficient gain for even the "H" version of the Micro Ruby, which outputs less than 1/6th the voltage of an MM cartridge. The CAT also does not provide the loading the Benz wants to see.

Inadequate gain will make music sound thin, distant and lifeless. It also buries low level details beneath the system's noise floor. Any decent LP has more low level detail than a CD. You'll hear them once you solve this problem.

The loading of the CAT is much too high for the Benz, or any other MC cartridge. This will suck bass weight and "prescence" out of the music. You'll still hear bass, but no meat on the bones and images will be diffused.

Short of downgrading to a MM cartridge (not recommended) there are two ways you could address these issues. Properly implemented, either approach will solve them both.

Solution #1 is to change to an MC phono stage. Variable gain and loading would be nice, to avoid tying yourself to one particular cartridge forever. (Every MC cartridge has it's own gain and loading requirements.) You could do this with an outboard phono stage or by replacing the CAT altogether. This is not what I would do, though some would.

Solution #2 is to add stepup transformers between cartridge and pre. If you like the CAT then I'd recommend this approach. Take a look at the Mu trannies at www.bentaudio.com. Just $750 or so, and they include easily variable cartridge loading. This means they'll work with the Benz today and just about any conceivable MC cartridge tomorrow.

Fixing your gain/loading mismatch should pretty nearly maximize performance from that TT/arm/cart. They're not the last word but they should be able to outplay any CDP, even one as nice as the AA. Right now you're not hearing everything they can do.
Reb1208, good insights. I've never seen an RB100 and had no idea it was wired so poorly. Coax lead out??? ...
Yhun, I didn't know you had the MC board. Sorry for the slight diversion, although 47dB gain still sounds like MM territory to me. How much gain in the line stage?

I have the Mu feeding the MM phono stage in my c-j PVll preamp, which has 47dB gain + 19 in the line stage. My cart puts out a "solid sounding" .5mv but 66dB of total gain is not nearly enough. Without the stepups I have to crank the c-j's gain control to nearly 2 o'clock, compared to 9 o'clock for line sources. This pushes the line stage tubes too hard, raises the noise floor and, well, the sound just sucks! :)

If you have to push your gain significantly more for phono than for line then I'd investigate a SU device. I haven't heard anything but the Mu so I can't offer comparisons. People who have A/B'd trannies (Arthur Salvatore) say the Mu is the best in today's market.

I know it has admirably flat frequency response, down only .5db at 20Hz, dead flat to well above 20kHz. That's probably as good as any transformer anywhere. It's dead quiet of course. I haven't heard any phasing problems, but my speakers are probably worse in that regard so it's hard to say. The Mu's integrated leadout wire and easy load resistor changing did it for me. If you're having a slow day you can read my cartridge load test results on a thread called "Shelter + BentAudio Load Test" or something like that. Have the coffee ready. :)

It sounds like your arm wire issues are bigger, but why not try the different load plugins on the CAT? Can't hurt to experiment a little.