What are we objectivists missing?


I have been following (with much amusement) various threads about cables and tweaks where some claim "game changing improvements" and other claim "no difference".  My take is that if you can hear a difference, there must be some difference.  If a device or cable or whatever measures exactly the same it should sound exactly the same.  So what are your opinions on what those differences might be and what are we NOT measuring that would define those differences?

jtucker

@sns 

“What “what are objectivists missing? Trust in their senses, which may be good thing in that certain individuals have a less developed aural acuity.”

So the problem here for those trained in science is that we have learned early on that our senses cannot perceive things that are there and conversely can also perceive things that are not there. Measurement and replication are the only tools we have in the struggle with self deception.

@sns 

“Audio subjectivists are the furthest thing from being religious, we disagree on so much. While we may believe in our systems and/or choice of equipment, we allow other's those same prerrogatives. If this religion, sure is one incoherent belief system.“

Have you checked lately how many religions there are on earth? And that is just one planet :-)

I don't know if someone has touched on it in this thread, but when considering the manufacturers goal is to sell product, they come up with supposedly innovative designs for their cables with exotic processes that (according to them) make profound (positive) differences! The question from a scientific perspective is if you can't measure the differences, then how do you formulate your hypothesis to even begin to design a cable?! Without a sound scientific methodology, where would you even begin to innovate? Regardless of whether there is actually a sonic difference, without a point to begin from, they are only guessing at what will or won't work, and how could anyone trust that?!!! 

what are we NOT measuring that would define those differences?

This is a very hard question, as it refers to unknowns.

There are many sensed qualities for which there is no quantifiable, measure-able correlate.

We are relying on both neural psychology, engineering, and psychoacoustics to collaboratively establish how "measurement X" corresponds to "sensation Y."