What are we objectivists missing?


I have been following (with much amusement) various threads about cables and tweaks where some claim "game changing improvements" and other claim "no difference".  My take is that if you can hear a difference, there must be some difference.  If a device or cable or whatever measures exactly the same it should sound exactly the same.  So what are your opinions on what those differences might be and what are we NOT measuring that would define those differences?

jtucker

100% true. But, this works both ways. For the "objectivists" too

Absolutely. If I say 2 dacs sound the same I will add if it's simply a subjective opinion or one I have tested. 

This thread isn't about cable A sounds better than cable B to John Doe but why will some claim A is sounds different  than B yet measure the same. Are there unknown measurements we need to make? My point is bias has to be eliminated to see if the reason is bias or some unknown before we can begin to investigate this unknown as a real factor.  Share whatever impressions you want but if someone is asking for RELEVANT feedback on a component my or anyones subjective opinion isn't really worth squat.

A cable measured or bought for his magical true or untrue quality will not sound the same in two different rooms, especially if the evaluating ears read the publicity of the cables before buying it or worst because some measured it instead of listening it...

Astounding that people dont seems to understand that basic acoustic listening training is needed to be able to evaluate ANY component and optimize his working...

Subjectivist and objectivist focus on the GEAR market publicity, one group favorably the other group with defiance....Same error, one group trusting the branded name of the product the other group an electrical tool to measure it...

Astounding ignorance....But at least subjectivist guess that they can educate the way they listen....Objectivist are measuring tool fetichist.... 😁😊

None of them learn how to tune a room by themselves, nor to eliminate vibrations  and to control the electrical noise floor of the house to some extent,  AS the three main experiments in audiophile life... Not blind test nor upgrade...

None of them most of the time learn with their EARS acoustic concrete science in listening experiments...

Good experiments use trained and untrained listeners. I agree with  a lot of what you say about audio, not all. To me 90% of what we experience is room/ speaker interaction and how we've tuned them with either passive room threats, EQ or both. As long as your electronic system is competently designed and most is, not specifically made to have a sound signature it's  no more than 10% of it, and yes, that's only my opinion.

Share whatever impressions you want but if someone is asking for RELEVANT feedback on a component my or anyones subjective opinion isn't really worth squat.

You seem to completely go past what I wrote. Let me repeat:

Again, I don’t think people are making claims. Instead, they are sharing their impressions. It’s a public forum. Meaning people gather, talk to each other, share what they like and don’t like, sharing their experiences. If you don’t like what people share, ignore them. Let the people who enjoy the discussion with each other be. As easy as that.

You keep focusing on "claims" over and over again. 

Let me break it down for you:

1 - People are free to share their impressions on anything audio in an audio forum

2 - You pick what is relevant to you. Ignore the rest

3 - Something that may not be relevant to you may be relevant to others

 

1 - People are free to share their impressions on anything audio in an audio forum

2 - You pick what is relevant to you. Ignore the rest

3 - Something that may not be relevant to you may be relevant to others

I’ll break it down for you.

I don’t care what you and John Doe discuss about subjective impressions. I do ignore it.

I am free to discuss my impressions on anything audio as well.

If the questions asked in an OP are given subjective impressions as answers then I’ll point out to him or her that’s all they are and should be taken with a grain of salt.