What does 90% of the Absolute Best Sound Cost?


Like many things, I have come to believe that the cost of incremental improvements in audio come at exponentially increasing costs - e.g., big improvement from $5K to $10K, less so from $10 to $15K, etc. All of us have our limits regarding what we can/will spend to achieve our best possible/practical audio experience. So, a couple of questions that I am sure are at least somewhat subjective.

A. What does it cost, in terms of components, interconnects, and direct furnishings (e.g., racks, isolation pads, surface room treatments, etc.) to achieve 90% of the absolute best sound possible?

B. What % does $50,000 get you?

FWIW, my setup is at about $21,000 actual cost ($32,000 original retail) and I am really happy with it right now. All of my incremental spend for the next couple of years is going to be working the room itself. Looking forward to your perspectives!

128x128mattsca

Interesting question. For the sake of discussion I'm going to use retail prices for this exercise. Obviously you could do much better by buying used equipment, which, like you, I did, but I'm trying to compare apples to apples.

The core of my system is from the mid 1990's (Krell KSA 300S, Krell KRC-2, Thiel CS6 speakers, Velodyne subwoofer). If I take the original retail prices and adjust for inflation those pieces would cost about $35,000 today. I've got several DACs, two transports, two turntables, tape decks, and other gear but I'm going to figure my total system cost with my best DAC, transport, and turntable. At retail (inflation adjusted dollars)  my total system today would have cost about around $60K. For perspecitve, my actual cost is around $25,000 (I bought most of my gear used).

I've been to three audio shows and heard dozens of high end systems. I'm pretty comfortable in saying that my system hits the 90% target of the best sound regardless of price. I've heard a couple of million dollar systems and a bunch of six figure systems and very few of them sounded significantly better than my setup. I've heard far more systems that I thought sounded great but not particularly better than my rig.

A few speakers have stood out - Von Schweikert Ultra 11 ($325k), large Acoras ($200k+), and especially MBL 101E Mk II ($90k). These systems definitely reached a level beyond what I can coax out of my system but at an astromical price. On the other hand I've heard several speakers under $25k that sounded wonderful, if not quite state of the art. One speaker that bowled me over was the Rosso Fiorintino Fiesole (around $21k). I'm looking forward to hearing other models in their line.

I'm at the stage of my life where I could afford a significant upgrade but I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm afraid that I could drop a significant amount of money and a lot of hassle on new gear without getting much benefit.

From my experience I would say that $50,000 spent today easily reaches 90% of the best sound money can buy. 

Based on my experience over decades I'd suggest somewhere in vicinity of $100-150K retail. Costs add up quickly even with the small stuff like cabling, dedicated AC lines, room treatments. Purchasing used can bring the costs down from the retail cost I stated.

In the end, it depends on how much obsessiveness and pathological compulsion dedication and commitment one is willing to bring to the table.

As @onhwy61 rightly pointed out, a purpose-built listening room becomes a necessity if one is to even hear the difference better gear makes. Yes that room can cost $250K+, though it doesn't have to.

I don't have a dedicated listening room and I don't want one. I sometimes listen to music 12 hours a day so I need to do something else at the same time, namely, in my case, work. That supposes, by definition, a very imperfect room, which in turn limits how much better gear I can get while still reasonably hoping to hear significant improvement. But I wouldn't last an hour a day in a dedicated listening room before I got cabin fever, so I'm more than willing to live with what I have as it lets me listen to music for another 11 hours, and at the end of the day listening to music is what I'm here for. 

 

@mattsca

 

After a certain point more money gets you bigger and louder scale appropriate for larger rooms. Larger rooms need much bigger speakers and amplifiers and even multiple amplifiers.

In smaller rooms with nearfield systems you can get super high quality audiophile sound for a much more reasonable price.

What size room are you talking about?