@stuartk I would agree that all musical genres benefit to some level from better PRaT, but my perspective is that whether PRaT is a key element to understanding the music will vary by genre. Some musical genres like jazz have frequent quick interactions between different musicians. Better PRaT makes it easier in my experience to follow what's going on in the music. Orchestral music, as a vast generalization, tends to have interactions between the different instrumental sections that is of a nature that is not as quick and transient as those in jazz music.
What exactly is PRaT???
Ok, it’s like this thing and is associated with “toe tapping” and such. I confess, I don’t get it. Apparently companies like Linn and Naim get it, and I don’t and find it a bit frustrating. What am I missing? I’m a drummer and am as sensitive as anyone to timing and beats, so why don’t I perceive this PRaT thing that many of you obviously do and prize as it occurs in stereo systems? When I read many Brit reviews a lot of attention goes to “rhythm” and “timing” and it’s useless to me and I just don’t get it. If someone can give me a concrete example of what the hell I’m not getting I’d sincerely be most appreciative. To be clear, enough people I greatly respect consider it a thing so objectively speaking it’s either something I can’t hear or maybe just don’t care about — or both. Can someone finally define this “thing” for me cause I seriously wanna learn something I clearly don’t know or understand.
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Thanks for kindly pointing out what is probably obvious to many, here. I tend to favor smaller groups, which means I rarely listen to Big Band Jazz and never listen to orchestral music. My comments reflected my unfamiliarity/ignorance.
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@dogearedaudio There are several aspects to stereo imaging that help define a systems performance. Imaging specificity is essentially the "focus" of the image. With the best systems and recordings each instrument and voice is sharply defined in 3 dimensional space with "blackness" (no sound) in between. In most systems the individual sound sources blend into each other. With a large number of instruments, like a symphony orchestra there is a solid wall of sound. Instruments still occupy a location, but they blend into each other whether one likes it or not. Imaging the third dimension is not where in instrument is located in 3 dimensional space it is the sensation that an instrument or voice is not a flat object on a painting but a three dimensional object in space. This is the sensation that the singer is in the room with you. This is the hardest aspect of stereo performance to achieve. Very few systems will do this and only with a limited number of recordings. A 3D soundstage is imaging in 3 dimensional space. Some instruments are up front and others behind. In many instances this is artificial. The recording engineer is doing this with echo. It is best to evaluate this with a live recording as fewer tricks are used in their production. A good recording of a symphony orchestra should easily demonstrate that the tympany is at the back of the stage. Sometimes audiophiles will refer to a soundstage as being wide and will relate that their system images out beyond their speakers. You can throw an image beyond the speakers with phasing tricks, but in the absence of these the system soundstage should be defined by the distance between the speakers and the listener's distance from the speakers. Imaging beyond the speakers is due to reflections off the side walls and always represents a problem that diminishes image specificity. For a system to have the best image specificity the frequency response curve of the two channels has to be identical. This is very difficult to achieve usually due to room issues. This is not to say the frequency response of a system should be flat. To the contrary systems tuned to be flat sound bright and bass less. |
As a former musician PRaT never clicked with me in home audio until a full Krell class A system with Thiel CS3.6 cycled through here. @soix , I can only relate my experiences playing in bands like this. When everyone is locked in perfect synch with tempo, perfect attack and release, volume and balance, there is an undeniable completeness to the sound of the group. No early flams, no hangover notes, no smearing of staccato passages, running musical phrasing is in lockstep to the point that every note is heard but none stand out in any way. The band speaks with one voice. The combo of class A and phase coherent speakers opened my ears to the most accurate presentation of music I was intimately familiar with. No smear of any sort. With that system in place and only speakers rotated through, I became aware of crossover / driver anomalies that slowed the edges of notes, broke the synchronization of percussion with brass and slowed the output of ranges from treble on down. The music was all there, shading and dynamics etc etc, but the recordings lost that lockstep timing or unison, a Slight blurring of instrumental notes that is normally undetected. Speakers have been the bigger culprit in the change or lack of PRaT for me. Electronics and cabling can have some deleterious effects but driver and crossover implementation tend to wave a bigger flag for me when it comes to decreasing PRaT. For me full range speakers that marry woofer, mids and tweeters in phase and speed offer that sense of unity or unison
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