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Where can I get educated about cables?

I'm still relatively new to this "hobby" compared to most of you it seems, and I'm trying to learn as much as I can. I've finally gotten to the point where I am considering purchasing cables, both for IC's and speakers, but I don't know where to begin.

Here's the deal- I read alot of reviews, talk to dealers, and read threads both here and on AA, and while everyone genuinely seems to want to help, I hear alot of talk about "impedance" and "capacitance", "six-nines', etc, when they talk about various cables. Now, I'm not an electrical engineer (I'm a commercial HVAC tech by trade), but I do know a little basic electronics, and am comfortable with a wiring diagram, so I am familiar with these terms.

Ultimately, I'd like to understand how to choose a cable, and why. I'd like to know how a cables characteristics will affect the sound with my equipment, and I'd like to know what cabling changes to make if I change a different part of my system somewhere down the road. Please don't misunderstand me- I do not believe I will find the perfect combination by simply using a magic formula of some sort. I'm just looking for information on the basics to get me headed in the right direction so I can make an informed decision, and hopefully save myself some grief (and cash) along the way.

Against my better judgement, but as an example, I'll tell you that I have a Sonic Frontiers Line1, a Bryston 4BST, and PSB Gold i's. I borrowed some different IC's from a local dealer, and heard the differences between them. BUT WHY? I wanna know why! Why did cable "XYZ" sound different than cable "ABC"? And what if I changed preamps? Then what? Or my amp? This could get really expensive trying cable after cable after cable, without knowing what to look for or having a frame of reference to start with.

Please, if anyone knows a source of info, a book, a site, or an actual person who can help me, let me know. It would be greatly appreciated.

Lastly, if you have experience with my particular COMPLETE setup, not just the individual pieces, your input would probably benefit me here as well.

Thanks for your time.


subcoolman
dwhitt
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don't get hooked too much on interconnects or speaker cable, i have been a part of audio mania for over forty years and althogh interconnects and speaker cable play as much a part of the full musical system as any particular piece of equipment....go to a good high end store near you...and ask to use what you think you can afford over the weekend...typically twenty percent is a good range for pay out on connects,etc.....there are great companies out there and don't get caught up trying to listen to them all...your local store will have good connects,such as transparent, audiogest,etc. listen over the weekend ,they work well and sound good,buy them and forget the big hunt........listen to the music......dubwhitt@msn.com
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buscis2
468 posts
 
Subcoolman, I found some interesting and informative information on the LAT website. It was really the first exposure I had to the "inside" of the cable manufacturing industry. I believe the section is called "Cable Hype".

Lou (the owner) of LAT unravels some of the industry workings and provides you with some insight as to raw materials, manufacturing processees and theoretical design concepts. It may be worth your while to take a look. By no means will you become a cable expert by reading this info, but I feel it is presented with less of a "sales" slant, and at the least, will allow you to start "scratching the surface" of cable design.

Happy reading!
tweak1
3,666 posts
 
You've already gotten good advice about cables. Now let's move on. Do you want a really good sounding "system", then get on with your life and enjoy it, or do you want to play? Your components are excellent by themselves. Whether they work as a team is hard to say. Cables, power conditioning, vibration control, and room teatment (or lack there of) will make or break your system. www.audiotweakers.com
bomarc
501 posts
 
If you want to lowdown on something, the people trying to sell it to you are not always the most impartial source of information. I'd recommend a book by Bruce Rozenblit called "Audio Reality." Rozenblit designs tube amps, and he's not in the wires-are-wires school. But he knows his engineering. He debunks a lot of what you'll read elsewhere. It's $30 on Amazon, and it'll save you hundreds.
subcoolman OP
17 posts
 
To everyone who has replied so far- Thank You (!) for your input! I really do appreciate it.

In reply to some issues- I'm not in a hurry. I understand it will take some time to find what I am looking for, but I'd rather get headed in the right direction from the start than head off blindly into the abyss. I already have two other expensive hobbies (a wife and a boat), and I really am not certain I can afford to just plunk my cash down and hope for the best.

Why do I think wires matter? To be honest, until recently I didn't. My old equipment wasn't revealing enough, and I always poo-pooed the audio press for their claims. Then I upgraded to what I have now, and my dealer talked me into a couple loaners. 'Nuff said.

Which leads me to this- Why do "they" print reviews with specs like "output impedance", and then expect me to understand why this matters? My God, in some reviews, "they" even tell you not to use this XYZ model with a certain type of (enter item here). Makes me wonder if my stuff will blow-up if I hook up to it. I'm serious here, people! How do I know whether my equipment, past, present, or future, will produce acceptable results with a given manufacturuers cables?

Somewhere I gotta believe is a list, written or not, which would state basic audio-electronic "truths", kinda like a "rule of thumb" list for beginners. Please note "truths" is in parenthesis- I understand that this is also a relative subject. Think about it this way- there are laws of physics that state that a given frequency will resonate in such and such a way in such and such and environment (think room treatments here, which I am addressing, by the way). I gotta believe there's info somewhere that will help me at least get a good start on selecting cables.

As for the sources noted in some replies, I apologize for not checking them out yet. I may have re-stated questions for which these sources may well be able to answer, but I wanted to post this first.

Thanks again, and my apologies for the length.
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