Where is the significant point of diminishing returns on hi-end turntable?

I hate to bust everybody's bubble, but it has been said that the truth shall set you free, and I come to this forum with a bit of truth, that contradicts a few other truths.

I was just listening to some music from a compilation of the 100 best jazz tunes of the 50's, and I discovered something; while I have most of these tunes on their original record albums, these CD's sound better. Now I'm not talking about any old rig, but a topflight high end "tweaked to the bone rig". These CD's sound better than the original records.

You be the judge as to what this pertains to the future. It has already been ascertained that R to R can sound better than the world's best record spinner. You can verify that information on the "Reel to Reel" thread.


Enjoy the music.

Remember Mr. Porsche.....its the whole system and how all those black boxes react to each other that will blow you away.  I've replaced one component with a more expensive - more highly regarded piece, and the result was less good than the original.  ....and so it goes.

rogerabbit
If you want the best sound, irrespective of price, then you should look into the rebuilt idler wheel drive units from Jean Nantais.

my two Canadian cents.
In this small niche Analog world, I believe Jean Nantais is a Canadian icon and rightly so.
I mean C'mon....he took his portable Lenco to audio crazed Greece and challenged a local favorite called an EMT. Apparently it has a lot of fans.
Those in the room felt his Lenco defeated the EMT - as the story goes - for
those that were in the room.

So what does this prove to me, as someone who was not there.

that personal Setup was probably very important.

But..... how many of MMP's local experts even know about Jean Nantais or his products ? 

Dear @mmporsche : I think that you are refering to some posts as mine. Well, beleibe it or not I’m not against you but in favor of you trying to help what because your posts you are not aware yet in the high-end land ( no, it’s not rocket science. ).

Till now you decided not to give any single answer to my very precise questions to you and I’m not really questioning you but trying to help you. Whom am I to questioning you or any one else?

The only actuion I can read where you took in count my advice was the Galibier one.

My reference is always live music in real " day by day " venues. I listened music directly inside a recording studio/session for 3-4 times.

Till today I never bougth any single audio item through an audio shows like the RMAF or CES and other shows of that type other than LPs and I attende several times.

First than all I’m a music lover and second an audiophile.

"""" I enjoy all genres of music as long as it is quality music and most importantly was recorded well. I have a keen ear for quality growing up in the studio... """

I enjoy music that was not recorded very well but that is MUSIC that can " move " me in any way and if it’s well recorded the better.

I don’t have a keen ear trainend in the studio ( I don’t need it. ) but I can go to your place ( for the first time or any other single gentleman place. ) and tell you what’s wrong with your overall set up is any. Next, a simple question:

Do you know why can I do that and tell us?


Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

Btw, many times my posts are not even close to what the thread OP or other gentlemans " like " to hear. Sometimes my posts akes " happy " to any one but in all cases I have only one attitude: help and share my experiences.

My opinion has the same " weigth " that any other person including yours and obviously that can be wrong.

This would have been a good question 20 years ago, but with the state of the art with CD players and DACs today, I personally think getting into vinyl playback in a big way today, without an extensive collection of vinyl in your possession, is a fool's errand.  I have an updated SOTA Sapphire vacuum TT, acrylic platter, high end tone arm and a Dynavector 20X10 MC cartridge and honestly I can't be bothered to play it hardly ever.  My Oppo 103D sounds pretty much the same and is a whole lot less hassle.   I have done a fair bit of A/B testing on my system and that of my friend's  $50K system, and I find no significant improvement of analogue over digital, none at all.   

I understand guys upgrading their TT's when they have 1000's of LP's, but starting from the get-go, I think you will incur lots of expense that will not be commensurate with your listening experience.  I am an old fellow and loved analogue 30 years, but I have moved on as the digital technology at even a modest price point will be better than sound of a pricey TT.  Mike Fremer of course disagrees, but I urge you to demo a pricey TT rig compared to a decent CD player and let your ears be your guide as to how expansively you want to open your wallet to get into the realm of analogue playback.  Good luck.