Which subwoofer?


I have a small room (10’x14’) and am wondering if a subwoofer would help. If so, which one?

I have Martin Logan electrostatic speakers with  8” powered 200 watt woofers and 8” passive radiators.  The bass is articulate, but not very deep. I am wondering if I could get more bass volume and depth without loosing detail with an additional subwoofer?
I have tried an 8” Velodyne, but could never integrate it with the Martin Logans so I sold it. 

The Martin Logans are powered by a 200 watt McIntosh receiver. 
Any thoughts?


kenrus
Cool @lewinskih01! I chose to go with two woofers per side, in the less-common W-frame (most people go with the H-frame, including the Canadian woodworker who offers GR Research customers a great frame in flat pack form), which Siegfried Linkwitz also chose for the frame of his OB loudspeakers. For that reason I got the 8 ohm version of the GR Research woofer, rather than the 16 ohm.

Why? The Rythmik A370 plate amp puts out maximum power into a 4 ohm load (as do of course almost all solid state amps), but doesn’t like to see an impedance lower than that (few do!). A pair of the 8 ohm woofers are fine (in fact optimal), but three of them present too low an impedance to the amp. For that reason, if using three woofers per amp you MUST use the 16 ohm version. However, two of the 16 ohm---which produce a combined impedance of 8 ohms---doesn’t draw all the power out of the amp of which it is capable. Wasteful, as well as lower in maximum SPL capability.

I have the OB subs 5’ from the wall behind them, which makes sense since my loudspeakers---also dipoles---are the same. I have the two side-by-side, but that’s because I use 180 as the x/o frequency between sub and loudspeaker (unlike a normal sub, the OB plays up to 300Hz. It can therefore be used as a woofer with any loudspeaker whose midrange driver reaches down to 300.). One thing to know about the OB Sub: as it produces a null to either side of the frame, it MUST face the listening position if you want full impact at that location.

Though Rythmik’s Brian Ding was involved in the development of the OB sub (including creating the Dipole Cancellation Compensation Network---6dB an octave below 100Hz---he installs in A370 plate amps destined for OB usage), it is more Danny Richie’s baby. Brian found the OB sub to sound more "lean" than he cares for, without enough "weight". It is that weight that many dipole speaker enthusiasts/owners object to in "normal" subs. Each to his own!
In a small room just start with one and why not look at the ML subwoofers? 
Decent fair price and it is a small room.
Kenrus, it is a double edge sword. You will need two subwoofers of at least 12". Yes, I did see the size of your room. If you are going to spend money don't bunt. You need two 12"s or four 10"s or you are just adding a woofer on top of woofers. Getting them to sound right under the MLs will be a challenge from an analog perspective, relatively easy from a digital perspective. Digital bass management IMHO is the best method of integrating subwoofers. 
@lewinskih01
I have a dual opposing subs as a single sub. Like you I am interested in Rhythmik pair of speakers to make a DBA, possibly open baffle as well?
Something to consider after I've got more room treatment finished.

@bdp24
I'd like to know more about the differences with sealed and OB with the Rhythmik sub amp designs. I wish I could hear both to make a determination, but not likely to be anytime soon.

@rixthetrick: To read lots of discussions about the GR Research/Rythmik OB/Dipole Sub, head over to the GR Research Forum on AudioCircle. There are threads dedicated to the sub which contain info provided by GRR owner/designer Danny Richie, as well as guys who have built it. Once you have heard an OB woofer, sealed/ported are simply no longer good enough!

Rythmik's Brian Ding does not actively promote the OB Sub, though it is listed amongst the DIY/Custom models (not just the OB, but also sealed and ported subs.). On the Rythmik website, owner/designer Brian provides a LOT of info about the Rythmik line of subs, some of it very technical (Brian has a PHD, and is brilliant). On the website there is also a link to another Forum with a dedicated Rythmik section. Rythmik owners are passionate about their subs!