Who needs a Preamp??


Seriously, if your cd/dvd player has volume control as my Oppo does.
and you own a phonostage with volume as my PS audio does,  then
you your issues are:
-how to power a sub
-how to listen to tv thru your system

Who believes that a preamp Improves sound??


gadios
1. try tubes?

2. loudness compensation (progressive low volume boost of lows and highs) usually an on/off switch. When 'on' it automatically, and progressively, engages boost as you lower the volume below ...

Typically misunderstood because it is 'oppositely' named, it should have been called 'low vol compensation'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_compensation

Note: the amp volume/preamp volume/low vol boost circuit work interactively, you need to find the combo that only engages it when the preamp vol is turned below ... Another reason it is either misunderstood, or, disliked because it gets engaged too soon at mid to high volume.

When you get it right, t is a wonderful thing to listen to Jazz at low volume and still hear/enjoy the bass player and brush work on cymbals at proper 'relative' levels.

3. balance/tone controls. remote volume from listening position, oh yeah!

some recordings benefit greatly by a very slight balance adjustment, and some recordings benefit from a bit of tone control

Add the fact that we lose our ability to hear high frequencies as we age. Of course you don't.

carpet is a tone control, acoustic treatments are tone controls, why the heck not use tone controls for certain recordings? bypass of controls is nice.
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give yourself a flexible/optional setup (I change my path often)

Three optional paths

1. direct into my tube integrated amp, Cayin A88t, which has remote volume and 4 inputs (one preamp in)

For sources that I know I will listen to fully attentively, at moderate to high volume, i.e. reel to reel, single cd player, never low volume when I would want low volume boost.

2. tube preamp/tuner via integrated amp's 'preamp in',

McIntosh mx110z for it's amazing tube FM and it's tube Phono EQ. When listening to FM at low volume, it automatically and progressively applies 'low volume boost'.

My TT has switch to bypass or use it's optional built-in phono preamp eq. I prefer the McIntosh tube phone eq. However, my prior McIntosh SS C28 preamp, I preferred the TT's preamp. Then, the TT goes to line, or direct to an amp or integrated amp. Sometimes I go straight to tube monoblocks.

3. Chase RLC Remote Line Controller. Primarily for it's remote balance control from listening position.

It's a remote controlled switch/volume/balance/tone control, and,



Primarily it is for CDs I know need a balance tweak, perhaps a single favorite track, or compilation CDs with many different engineers choices.

Also for a batch of CD's during a picnic/party ... 

And for memory lane a dual cassette deck and an 8 track thru it.

It has two sets of outputs if I want to easily compare amps, SS/Tube/....

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IOW, give yourself options that are practical: direct when best, preamp for it's advantages, low vol boost when desired ....


My amps sit by my speakers allowing for short speaker cables. I find with shorter speaker cables the system has greater resolution.

But I also find that having the front end of the system in an adjacent room also helps as there is less vibration (despite a custom stand and platforms)- which makes a difference to things like CD transports (less errors) and turntables (less coloration).


So my interconnect cables are 30 feet long. Obviously a passive can't do the job. I have tried them (in fact we used to make one 30 years ago) because it would be nice if things were simpler; more compact (although I'd have to have the system sitting between the speakers, which I don't like). But I find that there are colorations that don't exist when using the preamp. Particularly disturbing for me is the reduction in bass impact and dynamic contrast, a bit like a tone control. I don't get this effect with my preamp. I've played bass since the 7th grade so this bit has to be right for me or I'm unconvinced. People that don't like bass may find a passive to their liking.
  atmasphere
I'm unconvinced. People that don't like bass may find a passive to their liking.
What a crock of ****. You've really surpassed yourself with that one.
To the OP: Please save us and yourself the aggravation and do a search as this topic has been discussed ad nauseam. The discussion doesn’t usually end well as you can see. Thanks in advance.
@ atmasphere,
I have to agree with you on the bass. After using a passive for 9 years, I can say with experience, that bass is pretty light with a passive. My current preamp has a bass that the passive simply could not match. Dynamics is something that the current preamp has in spades. I loved the sound of my passive, but my current preamp is something else.