Who says cables don't make a difference?

$12,000 cables is conspicuous consumption especially when the laws of diminishing returns, if not gravity itself combined with the placebo effect kick in, and therefore immoral imho. 

Use lamp wire and feed the starving children in Bangladesh. 

No, they don't try to convince them of it. They just state is as a fact ... while never putting their own ears/brain to critical evaluation.

I don’t see those people trying so hard to convince the ones who can’t hear any differences that their hearing is somehow inadequate.

No, they don’t try to convince them of it. They just state is as a fact ... while never putting their own ears/brain to critical evaluation.

This is a decree about all an undeterminate crowd, qualified by the name: audiophiles...

Please note....

It’s immoral to buy cables now huh? Lol. Better start picketing the Ferrari’s, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, etc dealer’s, and we need to start doing something about those immoral multi million dollar homes too. Boats, another one we need to clean up. Robert, are you’re saying you’re one of the hearing impaired ones? I guess I can make that assumption about people who don’t have the ability to hear properly to hear significant difference in audible sound, as it would be the same as your assumptions about those who are not impaired. I see most stating as fact that they hear what they hear, and they are not trying to tell you that you don’t hear what you don’t hear as aopposed to those who can’t hear, continually trying to tell them that they’re hallucinating. That’s the difference. Based on your comment maybe we should say that you could use some training in critical listening, so you are able to identify obvious differences in audible sounds. Or maybe we can just say that we all have differences in perceptions of what we hear and everyone has their own idea of what works for them. If you ever come to houston, maybe we can both listen to the same test and see what we see. I went into this expecting not to hear any difference so I could put that behind me once and for all. But what I did not do is go in with a bias that I wasn’t going to hear anything no matter what happened. I was surprised at the result, but as always, my ears are the finale judge in any decision about equipment. No matter how impressive something looks on paper, no matter the positive reviews, or negative reviews. A lot of positive reviews of course will get a product more noticed for consideration. 

It’s immoral to buy cables now huh? Lol. Better start picketing the Ferrari’s, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, etc dealer’s, and we need to start doing something about those immoral multi million dollar homes too. Boats, another one we need to clean up.

The person who said that ... was obviously making a joke.

I see most stating as fact that they hear what they hear, and they are not trying to tell you that you don’t hear what you don’t hear as aopposed to those who can’t hear, continually trying to tell them that they’re hallucinating. That’s the difference.

No, they call them "hard of hearing", they insult their systems, say they have broken ears, any number of things.  I am failing to see how that is worse than accusing someone else of expectation bias?

Based on your comment maybe we should say that you could use some training in critical listening, so you are able to identify obvious differences in audible sounds.

I would offer to teach the course if you like?  How many critical listening experiments have you ran or been involved in?

Or maybe we can just say that we all have differences in perceptions of what we hear and everyone has their own idea of what works for them.

Which is critically much different claiming that a competently designed cable sounds noticeably better (or different) from another competently designed cable. You will again note I have been very clear, I know how to, and can induce a noticeable sonic change with a cable. However, it no mores takes $5,000 or even $1,000 to make a cable that either will or will not make a noticeable change.  I really couldn't care if you spend $1,000 or $5,000 or $50,000 on a cable. It is your money and right now, and spending money would be good for the economy. However, when you (or others) come on here and state with complete conviction that you must spend X dollars, or must have a cable of Y quality (that costs X dollars), or that you must allocate Z% of your system cost to cables, then, knowing other people read these forums and are making decisions about their audio spend, then yes, it is quite reasonable for me and others to call present an alternative viewpoint.