Why are my woofers pumping?


The other day, with sunlight direct from the side, I noticed that the woofers in my speakers are pumping in and out, much more than I was aware of, when the stylus is in the groove, even between tracks (no music).  I can see it, even if I don’t hear it. Why does it happen? The woofers behave normally (no pumping) with digital music, and when the stylus it lifted from the groove, so it is not the speakers, amps, preamp or phono stage. 

I’ve read that the typical reason for woofer pumping is that the cartridge / arm resonance is too low.  I tested, with my Hifi News test record, and yes, the lateral test puts the resonance at 7 hz or so – too low (but I’ve seen some doubts about the results from that test record).  It is strange, since the combo I use – Lyra Atlas cartridge and  SME V arm (on a Hanss T-30 player) is supposed to work well. I tried to strip my arm of extras, cleaned the damping trough, etc – but it did not help much.

Anyone has an idea, why it happens, or what to do about it?  


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@o_holter - You mentioned earlier in the thread about an XLR filter. I was struggling with the same woofer pumping problem and finally commissioned Dan Satoni at DTS electronics to build a custom balanced high pass filter for me. Problem solved with no obvious loss of sonic performance. I know Dan has a minimum board order of 5 units so I am pretty sure he can quickly build another one for you if interested. It wasn't exactly cheap ($550 CAD) but I feel it was an exceptional value at that price.

Todd

VPI Classic 3 w/Lyra Delos -> Whest PS.RDT30 SE -> Custom Filter -> ARC Ref2 MkII -> ARC VT100 MkIII -> Magico S1
Please note that woofer pumping is not only caused by the cartridge/arm. Some CD's cause pumping as well. Hopefully you have a "low-cut" option. Use it only when needed.
Han_n - yes I will test this more. The "low cut" option may be what I lack.
Toddc2 - thanks, I have followed up.

I mailed an audio tech the other day, is it likely my woofers are getting worn out? Even if I don't hear clear problems? Answer: after five years no - it is not likely.

Some more pumping and woofer cone vibration testing today.

Pattern confirmed: the misbehaviour is less than before, but still noticeable on very high volume. There is some subsonic pumping (I can see it but not hear it).

The interesting thing is: it happens at certain intervals per revolution of the record (playing silent grooves between tracks). If I turn up speed to 45, the pattern is repeated, only faster. This seems to indicate that player rumble or drive problems are NOT the main issue. The platter on the Hanss T-30 is perfectly levelled and revolves smoothly – the pitch is steady, there is no sign of imbalance or distress, and almost no perceptible vibration noise touching or stetoscoping the plinth.

So if the player is mainly fine, the answer must be that the cart/arm combo picks up “vinyl noise”. Please correct me if I am wrong!

Could this “inherent vinyl noise” be most strong down around the resonance frequency, at ca 7 herz?


I am investigating different filter options, with helpful answers from KAB and Satoni, thanks to your advice. Since I have invested in a balanced system (from the phono stage to the amps) I am not so keen to go back to single ended connections from the phono to the preamp, although this would be the easiest (and cheapest) way to know if I am on the right course – if a rumble filter would help.  



o_holter
Some more pumping and woofer cone vibration testing today ... still noticeable on very high volume. There is some subsonic pumping ... it happens at certain intervals per revolution of the record (playing silent grooves between tracks). If I turn up speed to 45, the pattern is repeated, only faster. This seems to indicate that player rumble or drive problems are NOT the main issue.
That actually sounds very much like a drive problem, such as a bearing issue or bad belt

.... Could this “inherent vinyl noise” be most strong down around the resonance frequency, at ca 7 herz?
I don't think what you're experiencing is “inherent vinyl noise.” I agree with @stringreen - it would be a good idea to start at square one and have Lyra check that cartridge. Did you buy it used? If so, it's immediately suspect, even if it isn't your only problem.


Before going on, I need to tighten the center shaft (with the magnets) to the plinth on my Hanss T-30. It is fastened by four screws from the underside of the plinth. Does anyone know the type and dimension? The screws are very hard to see unless the player is placed on the side. Thats a heavy and somewhat risky job, so when I do it, I need to have the right tool. The Hanss manual does not specify the type of screw, but they have confirmed that the shaft should sit tight. ("shaft" maybe not the correct term - I mean the cylinder that the spindle sits in.)