Why not horns?

"My mid-tweets are delayed so I am time aligned." - Herman

Please define time aligned.

My point, in this case, is that unless you changed out the crossovers in your speakers you may have some sort of "alignment" but the bass is still lagging the mid and the mid is still lagging the tweet.
A step response will reveal this.
And while what your's sound like in relation to the vast majority of box speakers may be true it may not necessarily be true in relation to a Thiel. A Thiel is time coherent, which makes it unique in this regard.

"The better the technologies get the more they sound the same and that is simply because the better any technology gets, the more it sounds like real music."

I can agree with that!

And yes, I have heard horns that conform to this assertion as well!

Hello Ralph,

Yes Duke did comment and clarify on what he is doing in regards to his speakers and they are not a typical monopole horn system, his being a bipolar horn speaker, i do agree this could be a better presentation of a standard horn config and as technology marches on, i can see horn speakers getting better , but better than what? another horn , absolutely! The best available to us absolutely not! others are marching forward too.

I also cannot agree that a horn speaker will sound like a planer, 30 + yrs experience designing and selling speakers tells me not so, the radiating pattern large surface area and lower transient distortion vs a single driver over the same range are typical standouts.

But i do reserve the right to be wrong here, but that would entail hearing one of these magic Horns..... right ?

Don't feel this is all Horn bashing there are bad planers 2, Recall me saying 90% of the speakers on the market are bad , some really bad ! This is across the board affecting some topologies more than others, and i have heard bad electrostatic speaker on many occasions , as recently as a few months ago ....

I will continue to listen and enjoy the music, there are many multi panel planer systems capable of reproducing the best of a recording, not shy for bass and lacking nothing to a horn speaker for power not to mention multi panel dynamic dipole systems that are way ahead of any Horn system i have ever heard and i could accept that even with my contacts and exposure at the highest level of the game, that i may have never heard a good horn system...

I will have to accept your's and Duke's word for it, as you mine that they will not approach the sound of a well built planer system....? IMO ..

Regards,

Duke, Ralph,

I have enjoyed the discourse and wish you both the best in such a tough business....

It's Audio .. nothing will be unanimous! no Indy 500 checkered flag! Nothing but a bunch of Nutters dedicating their cause to an imaginary goal and just like England , we can't score! No Cup! it's all about the journey.....


Enjoy ! ...............

A Thiel is time coherent, which makes it unique in this regard.

Prez, what Thiel calls Time Coherence is time alignment, it is certainly not unique to Thiel. Google "time coherent speakers" and you will find many who make that claim including NSM, Green Mountain, Vandersteen, Meadowlark, and others including mine. I do not care to debate you on this, you are as wrong about this as you were about the last issue.

My physical crossover consists of a single capacitor in line with the tweeter. It is physically aligned with the mids and electronically aligned with the woofer through an electronic delay. All other crossover functions are done digitally with no phase shifts or timing issues. The next step is to get rid of that single cap and triamp completely eliminating any passive components between my amps and drivers.

You can question my methods but my speakers are most definitely time coherent.

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