Eminent Technology ET-2 Tonearm Owners



Where are you? What mods have you done ?

I have been using these ET2's for over 9 years now.
I am still figuring them out and learning from them. They can be modified in so many ways. Bruce Thigpen laid down the GENIUS behind this tonearm over 20 years ago. Some of you have owned them for over 20 years !

Tell us your secrets.

New owners – what questions do you have ?

We may even be able to coax Bruce to post here. :^)

There are so many modifications that can be done.

Dressing of the wire with this arm is critical to get optimum sonics along with proper counterweight setup.

Let me start it off.

Please tell us what you have found to be the best wire for the ET-2 tonearm ? One that is pliable/doesn’t crink or curl. Whats the best way of dressing it so it doesn’t impact the arm. Through the spindle - Over the manifold - Below manifold ? What have you come up with ?
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If the air is off on my Kuzma Airline it is quite hard to move the tonearm.
Will be joining the ET owners club.
The ET arm that I purchased should be in my sweaty hands by the end of the week.
Chris
The statement about the ET2 bearing was in relation to it being subject to the same rules regarding resonance , load carrying capability dynamic stiffness etc.
Any problems due to higher mass will manifest themselves in linear air bearing designs regardless of the manufacturer. There may be variations in degree, but they will be there.
In other words if my heavy ET has problems with cantilever flex, bass boost, phase shift and so on; so do the other heavy arms. Rockport, Walker, Kuzma. This because the horizontal effective mass is solely determined by the total weight that is moved sideways at the frequency of interest, since all of these designs are virtually frictionless.
The level of damping of course changes all this. Enter the oil trough.

The difference observed between the ET2 and the Rockport could be due to the designed operating pressure and the bearing clearance. Haven't seen a Rockport in person so this is a guess.
Hi Rugyboogie,
Can the moving assembly on the Airline be taken out easily? If it can, and it is not too much trouble, I would really appreciate if you could weight it to confirm whether it is really only around 100g.

Hi Ct,
Yes, I still don't understand why the ET bearing feels smoother (to the hand) as compared to the Rockport when both are having the air-supply. I would assume both of them are virtually friction free under this condition! Maybe Rugyboogie can share with us his finding when he got his ET!
Oh, it just dawn on me, could the "less smooth" of the Rockport bearing cause by the flex of tiny airhost? If it is, then the airhost actually provide considerable "damping"!
05-14-13: Richardkrebs
The cartridge still has to push this mass sideways. Either a relatively low mass with the ET2 or heavier with a Rockport , Kuzma, Walker or Krebs arms. In an undamped system with a fixed counterweight we see a large rise in amplitude at resonance. This is easy to control with damping.
The adding of lead mass will increase distortion due to the higher inertia of the arm. Basically you have added a peak resonance in the bass, then tried to tame it by adding damping. Both the added mass and fluid damping will increase inertia, and compromise the ability of the cartridge to track the grooves accurately. On an eccentric record this will be even worse. The Krebs arm has some 65g of horizontal effective mass added - an increase of inertia close to 300%. This increases cantilver flex and distortion as per Bruce Thigpens commentary.
05-14-13: Richardkrebs
With a stiff cartridge; the only way to get Fr low enough to avoid interaction with audio frequencies was to make the arm heavier. The Fr of my arm/cart is 5.2 Hz.
This is not true. Most tonearm designers target a FR of around 8-12hz. This is based on an assumption that most systems dont produce much response below 20hz and footfalls are in the zone of around 2-3hz, dangerously close to your 5hz.
Secondly, the increased distortion from the added inertia of the arm resulting from the increased horizontal effective mass certainly impacts the audio frequencies.
The phase anomalies from the increased distortion on the cantilever can be heard quite clearly in a system that is reasonably transparent and quick. Furthermore the peak resonance at 2-5hz that you quote can invoke instability in tracking, its the same as walking past a turntable on loose floorboards.
05-14-13: Richardkrebs
In past I have damped the resonant peak by adjusting the air pressure and deliberately dressing the lead out wires to damp horizontal movement. This method is fussy and not particularly robust.
Basically what you are saying here is that you like the sound of the ET2 with additional drag inhibiting the free movement of the arm to track the grooves. In my experience this slugs the sound. Other users have found improvements by removing this drag - they have removed their fluid damping and replaced it with electromagnetic damping which has the benefit of not inhibiting movement until the movement happens.
05-14-13: Richardkrebs
My counterweight is 32 grams.
I have added 30 grams of lead inside the spindle in the center of working travel, such that it does not leave the bearing sleeve when tracking modulated grooves.
The ET2 can be optioned with the heavier magnesium wand. 8 gms heavier.
It comes with up to 40 gms of counterweight. 8 gms heavier.
In terms of bearing load carrying capability I have added 30 gm to a lightly configured ET2. If we option it with the magnesium and use all the supplied weights my weight adder is now reduced to 14 grams.
Your mathematics is incorrect :
The bearing spindle without arm/counterweight is 14g
The aluminium arm is 11g
The CF arm is 17g
The Magnesium arm is 19g

So the total horizontal effective mass of your 9gm cartridge on a standard ET2 arm with a 32gm decoupled counterweight is:
9g(cart)+11g(arm)+14g(bearing spindle)=34gm

The total horizontal effective mass of your 9gm cartridge on your altered ET2 "Krebs arm" with 30g of lead added and the 32gm counterweight coupled is:
9g(cart)+11g(arm)+14g(bearing spindle)+30g(lead that you added to the spindle)+32g(counterweight that the cartridge now sees because you removed the decoupling)=96g

Therefore you have increased the horizontal effective mass from 34gm to 96gm, an increase of 62g.

I cannot see how you get to 6gm in your maths.

Coupling the 32g counterweight adds 32g to the horizontal effective mass.
Adding 30g of lead to the spindle increases the horizontal mass by 30g, even when placed inside the bearing.
05-14-13: Richardkrebs
If we option it with the magnesium and use all the supplied weights my weight adder is now reduced to 14 grams.
This is another area where the underlying assumptions are misunderstood. Bruce's recommendations documented in the ET2 manual on low compliance cartridges is carry as little weight as possible as far out on the I Beam as possible. This keeps the horizontal effective mass low but increases the vertical effective mass. It is not recommended to load the I Beam with all the counterweights if one can shift the counterweights further out.