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What Does Holographic Sound Like?

And how do you get there? This is an interesting question. I have finally arrived at a very satisfying level of holography in my system. But it has taken a lot of time, effort and money to get there. I wish there had been a faster, easier and less expensive way to get there. But I never found one.

Can you get to a high level of holography in your system with one pair of interconnects and one pair of speaker wires? I don't believe so. I run cables in series. I never found one pair of interconnects and speaker wires that would achieve what has taken a heck of a lot of wires and "tweaks" to achieve. Let alone all the power cords that I run in series. Although I have found one special cable that has enabled the system to reach a very high level of holography -- HiDiamond -- I still need to run cables in series for the sound to be at its holographic best.

There are many levels of holography. Each level is built incrementally with the addition of one more wire and one more "tweak". I have a lot of wires and "tweaks" in my system. Each cable and each "tweak" has added another level to the holography. Just when I thought things could not get any better -- which has happened many times -- the addition of one more cable or "tweak" enabled the system to reach a higher level yet.

Will one "loom" do the job. I never found that special "loom". To achieve the best effects I have combined cables from Synergistic Research, Bybee, ASI Liveline, Cardas, Supra and HiDiamond -- with "tweaks" too numerous to mention but featuring Bybee products and a variety of other products, many of which have the word "quantum" in their description.

The effort to arrive at this point with my system has been two-fold. Firstly, finding the right cables and "tweaks" for the system. Secondly, finding where to place them in the system for the best effects -- a process of trial and error. A lot of cables and "tweaks" had to be sold off in the process. I put "tweaks" in quotation marks because the best "tweaks" in my system have had as profound effect as the components on the sound. The same for the best of the cables, as well. For me, cables and "tweaks" are components.

Have I finally "arrived"? I have just about arrived at the best level that I can expect within my budget -- there are a couple of items on the way. In any case, I assume there are many levels beyond what my system has arrived at. But since I'll never get there I am sitting back and enjoying the music in the blissful recognition that I don't know what I am missing.

I should mention that there are many elements that are as important as holography for the sound to be satisfying, IMO. They include detail, transparency, coherence, tonality, and dynamics, among others. My system has all of these elements in good measure.

Have you had success with holographic sound in your system? If so, how did you get there?
sabai
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mapman
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Tweaking to me is essentially fine tuning the sound to achieve a goal. With this definition, I have done a lot of tweaking to my system over the last 4-5 years as well to get to where I wanted to be. Pretty much everything save my turntable and tonearm changed. None of my tweaks were what I would consider "esoteric". I had some understanding of how each change worked. Predicting how wires specifically analog ICs would affect the sound was hardest. In the end, only listening told the whole story. My most uncommon tweak was use of Mu Metal for extra shielding needed to reduce inducted noise in my phono rig. Mu Metal is used for this purpose in many applications over the years and its principle of operation is well documented and understood. The mu metal needed cost $30 direct over the internet. Compare to Shakti stones. Those are much more attractive looking I am sure. Do they work as well or better than Mu Metal? I do not know. The Mu MEtal addressed the issue well so there is no issue to address anymore.

I guess my point is tweaking is essential to fine tuning the sound to reach a goal. I prefer to work with things I understand well especially when expensive. YMMV.
chadeffect
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Sabai,

"The whole orchestra was in my room. I mean the concerts opened up with such expansive 3D imaging and sound stage that I could not believe it. Not to mention all the other parameters (detail/definition, tonality, dynamics, transparency, etc.) Not only did all the walls in my room disappear, it was as if I was actually at the concert"

This is exactly what I have found and have been almost surprised by. I am sure by doing the basics 1st, then tweaking to focus from there is how to achieve it.

Obviously the gear has to be able to perform at its optimum. The speakers need to be carefully placed. The power supply clean. The room reasonable.

As a single digital sourced guy I am sure the latest digital has come of age to allow through so much of the very delicate information that makes that soundstage possible. Im sure the analogue equipment too. As it passes through the equipment it's a delicate preservation game!

To me the various tweaks have pulled the overall details sharply into focus to allow that 3D holographic presentation. Some tweaks more than others but each playing its part.

I guess now we start discussing the more controversial quantum tweaks. I have experienced very strange effects with the few I have tried. PWB foils being the oddest. Whether they were working on me, the system or both!

All that to say I doubt you can reach that level of 3D performance without the tweaks.
csontos
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Well Sabai, you did in fact respond. Btw, was that a bit of a Freudian slip in your last response to Mapman?
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geoffkait
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Chadeffect wrote,

"I guess now we start discussing the more controversial quantum tweaks. I have experienced very strange effects with the few I have tried. PWB foils being the oddest. Whether they were working on me, the system or both!"

The sort of discussion you're referring to might be a little too much for the more squeamish in the group. But just to get it out of the way, here are a few of my fav controversial quantum tweaks. They are guaranteed to get any self respecting skeptic's panties in a bunch. None of these tweaks are expensive, one is even free. Intelligent Chip, PWB Red X Coordinate Pen, Photos in the Freezer Tweak (free), the new WA Quantum Chips from Germany, Teleportation Tweak, and PWB Cream Electret.

Geoff Kait
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chadeffect
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Hi Geoff,

Here we go then...

I have noticed you receiving a tough time in some discussions. You will find me open to experimentation. I am interested in the result.

Like many here I have a slight knowledge of quantum theories. I'm not sure how up to date I am, but most of my reading was done 8 years ago now I guess.

I know of most of the products you mention in your last post. I have not tried them...yet! As I mentioned earlier I am interested in trying the WA quantum chip.

My experience with the PWBELT foils was most strange and dare I say unnerving? The effect was like no other tweak experience I have had.

If I had to explain it, I would say the closest to a "normal" tweaking experience would be like replacing a poor capacitor with a much much better capacitor in an important place in the signal path.

Suddenly the music was more "there". With that extra detail or removal of grunge, came a sense of the meaning that wasn't there before. As if the musics expression was more obvious.

There was a law or diminishing returns though, as the 1st few pieces made a large difference while more after those initial ones did little or nothing.

I tried to theorise what could cause the effect. Maybe putting the foil on the DACs chips was damping them? Luckily I didn't need to explain it. I just enjoyed what it did.

Which one of the mentioned tweaks would you recommend 1st?
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