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What Does Holographic Sound Like?

And how do you get there? This is an interesting question. I have finally arrived at a very satisfying level of holography in my system. But it has taken a lot of time, effort and money to get there. I wish there had been a faster, easier and less expensive way to get there. But I never found one.

Can you get to a high level of holography in your system with one pair of interconnects and one pair of speaker wires? I don't believe so. I run cables in series. I never found one pair of interconnects and speaker wires that would achieve what has taken a heck of a lot of wires and "tweaks" to achieve. Let alone all the power cords that I run in series. Although I have found one special cable that has enabled the system to reach a very high level of holography -- HiDiamond -- I still need to run cables in series for the sound to be at its holographic best.

There are many levels of holography. Each level is built incrementally with the addition of one more wire and one more "tweak". I have a lot of wires and "tweaks" in my system. Each cable and each "tweak" has added another level to the holography. Just when I thought things could not get any better -- which has happened many times -- the addition of one more cable or "tweak" enabled the system to reach a higher level yet.

Will one "loom" do the job. I never found that special "loom". To achieve the best effects I have combined cables from Synergistic Research, Bybee, ASI Liveline, Cardas, Supra and HiDiamond -- with "tweaks" too numerous to mention but featuring Bybee products and a variety of other products, many of which have the word "quantum" in their description.

The effort to arrive at this point with my system has been two-fold. Firstly, finding the right cables and "tweaks" for the system. Secondly, finding where to place them in the system for the best effects -- a process of trial and error. A lot of cables and "tweaks" had to be sold off in the process. I put "tweaks" in quotation marks because the best "tweaks" in my system have had as profound effect as the components on the sound. The same for the best of the cables, as well. For me, cables and "tweaks" are components.

Have I finally "arrived"? I have just about arrived at the best level that I can expect within my budget -- there are a couple of items on the way. In any case, I assume there are many levels beyond what my system has arrived at. But since I'll never get there I am sitting back and enjoying the music in the blissful recognition that I don't know what I am missing.

I should mention that there are many elements that are as important as holography for the sound to be satisfying, IMO. They include detail, transparency, coherence, tonality, and dynamics, among others. My system has all of these elements in good measure.

Have you had success with holographic sound in your system? If so, how did you get there?
sabai
sabai OP
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Is there anyone who, after closely monitoring the posts of Bobby Palkovic and Ted Denney, would venture to state that Geoffkait even comes close to them when it comes to the integrity of vendors? This is a very significant issue here and I will explain why.

It is not only incumbent on vendors who post here to make full disclosure -- for obvious reaons. It is also incumbent on them to meet certain standards if they are to be looked upon with respect here. If they do not meet those standards -- I believe that Bryoncunningham has highlighted some of these points regarding Geoffkait more eloquently than I have -- then their posts have to be looked upon advisedly.

There is no way that any vendor with an agenda that exudes self-centeredness can be taken seriously here. Nor should they be. By trying to appear interested in "the topic" they will betray their true agenda from time to time as their guard "slips". This kind of cunning use of these forums must be watched with vigilance lest discussions become hijacked by vendors looking to divert attention in their direction.

We have seen a perfect example of this today with Geoffkait trying to divert the discussion to the subject of polarity while stating that the person who initiated the thread had better "bow out" -- so that he, Geoffkait, can say whatever he likes without the need to read those bothersome threads that take him to task. Posters who object to him on the basis of various issues should be banished.

Have you ever read where Bobby Palkovic or Ted Denney or any other vendor stated that a poster should "bow out" -- let alone the initiator of a thread -- so that the field be left open for them to discuss the topics they chose for discussion without having to face posts from those who did not go along with them? What would people say if Bobby Palkovic or Ted Denney had the temerity to try such an outlandish thing? We have only to look at Bryoncunningham's excoriation of Geoffkait on various threads to see the exquisite details of Geoffkait's modus operandi.
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mapman
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My impression of Geoff is that everything he says or does is for the purpose of remaining an enigma in every way shape or form. I suppose that has appeal to some. But being an enigma in general does not build confidence or trust, two key ingredients in most any relationship.

I keep hoping Geoff will become something other than an enigma that levitates towards any controversial topic in order to build that reputation apparently, but I might have a long wait I am thinking. He has some good knowledge, so I believe he could be less enigmatic and establish some credibility there if desired.

Whatever. Everyone is free to post. Everyone is free to draw their conclusions accordingly.
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mapman
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"My impression of Geoff is that everything he says or does is for the purpose of remaining an enigma in every way shape or form. "

ALso, I believe that this services the brand identity of his business entity, Machina Dyamica. Assuming this, then I should probably not hold out any hope that anything will change, as long as the company is successful and reaching its target market (rich guys who do not know what else to do with their money to get better sound perhaps).
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Sabai wrote,

"Geoffkait,
I have put you on the spot and you now choose to sidestep the issue of Bybee products by redirecting the discussion about this specific issue that I brought up in my post to a discussion of frustration and anger. How clever. If you were a "humble scribe" you would not be asking ANYONE to "bow out" of any discussion. You have declared that you have the right to say anything you want. But this apparently only applies to you because others who may be angry or frustrated do not have the right to express their anger and frustration. They must "bow out". In effect, you are now the self-declared moderator of this discussion and you are making the rules about who can stay and who cannot. OF course, you get to stay. Your declaration of humility is obviously a false declaration."

No, it is actually you and Bryon who are attempting to act as moderators. Your last 20 posts, at least, are testimate to that. Bryon has not contributed one iota to this thread, other than his usual long winded personal attacks.

"My frustration may have got the better of you but it has certainly not got the better of me. It is very direct and to the point. And who are you, in all your false humility, to ask anyone to bow out of this discussion, let alone the person whom initiated this thread? If anyone should bow out it is clearly you. And you can do so graciously or not for all I care."

More anger and frustration.

"May I reiterate something that Bryoncunningham has said very eloquently on more than one occasion. You refuse to answer my questions directly and interpose another topic to redirect the discussion. To wit, who is more qualified to comment on Bybee products? The guy who has 20 of them in his system or the vendor who refuses to divulge how many Bybee products he has in his own system while pontificating about them with authority? How many Bybee products do you have in your system? Will you answer the question directly or will you invite me to bow out of this discussion?

Huh?! If you don't realize that Bybee products are controversial I can't help you. Let me give you a hint, though: quantum physics. I have conversed with Jack Bybee at some length on the subject of Quantum Physics. Have you?

I have no Bybee products. I believe that brings us up to date on the question and answer thing.
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geoffkait
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Mapman wrote,

"ALso, I believe that this services the brand identity of his business entity, Machina Dyamica. Assuming this, then I should probably not hold out any hope that anything will change, as long as the company is successful and reaching its target market (rich guys who do not know what else to do with their money to get better sound perhaps)."

Actually, the target market is not what you assume at all, i.e., rich audiophiles who don't know what else to do with their money. Almost all of my products sell for 60 dollars or less. You must be coming down with the same affliction as Sabai and Bryon : shoot first and ask questions later. If you wish to attack rich audiophiles you might consider going after the guy with 20 Bybees instead of stalking me. Lol
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