What kind of power wakes up electrostatic speakers


Is it wpc, high current, both or what? I've been aud-itioning amps with the Final Electrostatic 0.3's (86 db sensitivity). The manufacturer suggests a minimum of 50 wpc to get them going. So far, I've tried a Nakamichi Stasis (150wpc) and an Electrocompaniet AW250DMB(250 wpc).With both,the speakers sounded dull, yet the Parasound HCA 3500 (250wpc & high current)made them sing sweet as can be.
Could somebody be kind enought to explain to me how this stuff works. I need to purchase an amp to drive the Final 0.4's (the big brother to the 0.3's). I'd love to know what
to look for.
I appreciate in advance your help. The source for this
was a Pioneer PD S95.
steakster
Innersound also has a electrostatic amp at 2,000 volt-amps at $3000.00 which is a lot less money than the kilowatt monobloc hope this helps
The Innersound amps are pretty nice for the $$... you might
research their heritage though...

There are several ESLs with a benign load impedance curve. The Acoustat stands out as one without any dips below 6 ohms. It all depends upon the drive circuit. I think the Audiostatic has a patented circuit that has similar benefits.

The issue is where do you match the "cells" along their 6dB/oct slope from low freq/high impedance to high freq/low
impedance.

The idea is to NOT match them at one point but at at least two, keeping the impedances in hand... that's what the better full range panels do. The multiway ones (Quad 57) do that automatically...
Bear, i have seen impedance charts for Acoustat's that show a dip below 1 ohm at appr 10 KHz. From other charts that i have seen, this is pretty normal for a LOT of E-stat's. While the dips may not be quite as extreme or at the same exact frequency, they all tend to frustrate amps at high freq's. The saving grace of all of this is that there is not a ton of recorded info up that high and what is recorded is not of a high current demand like low freq's.

I would also think that a speaker with an impedance of 6+ ohms ( even with a reactive phase angle ) would not be too tough for a decently built amp to deal with. The fact that Acoustat's put MANY, MANY amps to shame and can suck most "high powered" monsters dry somewhat contradicts your previous statements. What i'm trying to get at is, what info did you base your nominal 6 ohm impedance figure on ? As mentioned, i'm going by the test measurements that i've seen and the experiences of more than a few Acoustat owners. Sean
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I'm using a Innersound esl amp to drive my Magnepan 1.6's and with good results. Before I bought the Innersound, I was using a Odyssey Stratos amp. The Odyssey was quite neutral, but at the same time, compressed the soundstage when pushed at higher volume. The Innersound compared to the Odyssey exhibited tighter bass control, unrestrained dynamic swings, more air around voice and instruments, better micro and macro details, and overall better control of my speakers. I haven't looked back on my purchuse of this great amp from Duke at Audio Kinesis. I'm in no way affiliated with Audio Kinesis or Innersound audio, but rather a very happy owner of the Innersound esl amp! Thanks again Duke!
Sean, which Acoustat?? All of the Acoustats that used the 121 type interface - that included the II,III, IV, VI, VIIs
absolutely do NOT have any impedance dip below 6 ohms. I am not convinced that any did, unless they stopped using Jim Strickland's patented "bi-former" interfaces with the last of the breed - the hybrid Spectra series stuff.

This is the published data for those speakers. My own tests confirm this. Indeed it is the basis for the patent.

As far as the Acoustats "sucking" amps dry is more due to the large voltage swings required for peak output, and deficits in those amplifiers' design. Since ESLs tend to have lower distortion than many cone speakers, the onset of
"distress" is easily heard.

On the other hand, I know at least one person with a very nicely done 35 watt tube amp that drove them with no trouble at all.

Quite a lot of people ran them with receivers too - as long
as you didn't stress the amp (play too loudly) they sounded pretty much ok.

So, I'm not sure what sorts of problems you've encountered with Acoustats - again if it is the later "Spectra" series, all bets are off, as I have no idea what they ended up doing towards the end of the product's life.