What kind of power wakes up electrostatic speakers


Is it wpc, high current, both or what? I've been aud-itioning amps with the Final Electrostatic 0.3's (86 db sensitivity). The manufacturer suggests a minimum of 50 wpc to get them going. So far, I've tried a Nakamichi Stasis (150wpc) and an Electrocompaniet AW250DMB(250 wpc).With both,the speakers sounded dull, yet the Parasound HCA 3500 (250wpc & high current)made them sing sweet as can be.
Could somebody be kind enought to explain to me how this stuff works. I need to purchase an amp to drive the Final 0.4's (the big brother to the 0.3's). I'd love to know what
to look for.
I appreciate in advance your help. The source for this
was a Pioneer PD S95.
steakster
Bear, i have seen impedance charts for Acoustat's that show a dip below 1 ohm at appr 10 KHz. From other charts that i have seen, this is pretty normal for a LOT of E-stat's. While the dips may not be quite as extreme or at the same exact frequency, they all tend to frustrate amps at high freq's. The saving grace of all of this is that there is not a ton of recorded info up that high and what is recorded is not of a high current demand like low freq's.

I would also think that a speaker with an impedance of 6+ ohms ( even with a reactive phase angle ) would not be too tough for a decently built amp to deal with. The fact that Acoustat's put MANY, MANY amps to shame and can suck most "high powered" monsters dry somewhat contradicts your previous statements. What i'm trying to get at is, what info did you base your nominal 6 ohm impedance figure on ? As mentioned, i'm going by the test measurements that i've seen and the experiences of more than a few Acoustat owners. Sean
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Sean, which Acoustat?? All of the Acoustats that used the 121 type interface - that included the II,III, IV, VI, VIIs
absolutely do NOT have any impedance dip below 6 ohms. I am not convinced that any did, unless they stopped using Jim Strickland's patented "bi-former" interfaces with the last of the breed - the hybrid Spectra series stuff.

This is the published data for those speakers. My own tests confirm this. Indeed it is the basis for the patent.

As far as the Acoustats "sucking" amps dry is more due to the large voltage swings required for peak output, and deficits in those amplifiers' design. Since ESLs tend to have lower distortion than many cone speakers, the onset of
"distress" is easily heard.

On the other hand, I know at least one person with a very nicely done 35 watt tube amp that drove them with no trouble at all.

Quite a lot of people ran them with receivers too - as long
as you didn't stress the amp (play too loudly) they sounded pretty much ok.

So, I'm not sure what sorts of problems you've encountered with Acoustats - again if it is the later "Spectra" series, all bets are off, as I have no idea what they ended up doing towards the end of the product's life.
I owned Acoustat IVs for many years. Anyone interested in electrostats should visit this site:

http://www.audiocircuit.com/

It contains all the original information on virtually every electrostat ever made. It includes a copy of the original paper "The technology of full-range-element electrostatic loudspeakers" by James Strickland, President of Acoustat Corporation.

This paper includes a discussion of the interface and amp requirements. It also shows the impedance curve for the Acoustats which dips to 3 ohms.
I'm very happy with my Mcintosh MA-6500. It sounds great, has more than enough power, and great features. The MA-6900 is another good one to consider.