It takes music to open up a tube preamp/amp


I'm wondering if anyone else is having the same experience with their tube gear... I have a CJ PV-14L and a MV60. A number of times now I have turned on the gear about 30 min. before I sit down to listen. As it states in the manual.. the sound will improve after 30 min. I initially thought it just need for the metal inside the tube to get warm to lower the resistance. I'm now thinking it takes 30 min of music... I've been digging up some old music I have not listened to in quite some time. For the first few tracks of the first disk I keep saying to myself "I guess this is not a very good recording after all". Then after about 15 min I'm saying hey this ain't so bad... after another 10-15 I'm saying dam this is cool... So tonight I went back and played the first track and sure enough it sounded way better than it did the first time. So are my tubes warming or is it just my brain ?
btrvalik
I don't know. I've elected to leave everything on. I'm sure everything will last longer, especially the tubes. (No heat-up/shrinkdown). I acquired this habit from being an audio engineer prior to being an audiophile. Every studio, busy or not, kept everything on constantly. (Except mikes).
Given that a cartridge is a mechanical device it would not surprise me that it needs a bit of wiggle time to get sounding right. It's just like warming a car engine. The difference here is a car engine will warm if idling but that does not seem to be true of tube gear. Tubes seem to need to actually have more electrons flowing from the cathode to the plate than is possible with just the bias current. I've heard that a "cloud" of electrons will develop inside the tube. I wondering if listening to music either creates the cloud or does it "burn off" the cloud ?

Just as a FYI... I've been away from audio for some time now and have just gotten back into it... I use to be into fairly serious amplifier tweaking (all the basics cap, resistor, and PS upgrades plus full circuit redesigns). During one of my mods I built the circuit completely wrong and before the amp thermally shut down I was convinced I had made a huge improvement. To make a long story short I began to think that I was full of it and just hearing what I thought I should be hearing..

So now I'm in the process of setting up a HT system in dedicated HT room I'm less critical about HT.. how different can one explosion sound from the other.. for me HT is mostly about power. I get way too distracted with the video and the story to really listen to a movie. HT gear such as Rotel is fine for me. The bottom line was that gave me a chance to swap around some amps. The need for my wife and kids to have a nice place to watch movies is what brought me into the tube world. To be honest, (not to open another touchy subject) I've never noticed differences in many of the standard tweaks (interconnects, speaker cables, power cords, etc). From my standpoint as long as it is reasonably hi-end it is fine with me.

So back to the topic... for me to hear such a huge difference is really a little freaky. Over the last few years I've become a hardened (indifferent?) skeptic. I had way more important things to do with my time that fart around being an audio geek again :^) I went to the store mostly trying to decide on either a NAD or Rotel HT receiver. I then got the idea that I might as well go with separates and upgrade my two channel system in the process. In fact when I demo'ed the CJ amp I was not really that impressed.. My dealer had a once a year demo sale so I decided to take it home an return it if I did not like it. I bought my tube gear because I needed another amp and figured what the hell let's give tubes a shot they look cool and retro is so hip these days :^) Almost any reasonably high-end amp will sound great so let's just pick up another amp.. I was not even unhappy with my old amp! I was not on the quest for the ultimate sound I just wanted a new toy... so I did the typical research... reading ... listening.. etc. and decided on CJ . This has turned into a long winded response but the fact is if I actually hear it, it must be a huge difference... Oh no I've turned back into an audio geek... My wife would say why qualify that statement...
Pbb, What an inelegant, unkind post! If you believe there is no difference, just say so. Why denegrate some one in this sophmoric fashion. Recall, what goes around comes around!
This was not intended to be unkind... I was poking fun at myself.. I started the thread because I'm hearing a huge difference. The fact is that ever since I bought my new amp I've spend every night staying up late listening to music. I'm getting back into a hobby I had abandon. I'll try not having any fun in future post.
Btrvalik, My post was directed to Pbb who posted above - from his post you may deduce that he is a founding member of the flatearth society, which has as a motto "If it can't be measured and if I can't hear it, it must not exist". What separates his post from other flatearthers whom i can easily ignor is his trying to be clever in his put down of you and your experience. I cannot condone this arrogance by being silient. You are doing just fine in your posts and i would not deny your experience. For the most part I agree that sending a signal thru a tube is better than just letting it idle. Its these miniscule differences that are so important to many in this hobby. It's unfortunate for Pbb that he has neither the equipment,or listening experience, or mindset to hear them. Frankly I doubt that he has ever tried - I think he is just trying to boost his own ego at your expense. There I've purged my self at his expense. Please excuse my rant.