Tube newbie, Audio Research questions?


I have had SS gear all my life and know nothing about tubes but thinking about changing over. I have done some research but need to do a lot more. How does AR gear rank in the tube status quo? I currently have Krell SS gear with Wilson W/P 7's. Thanks

Bill
wvick
Audio research has always been excellent gear, and the manufacturer backs its products.
There are always small cottage industry companies which claim to be magical, but I think that is part of the lust we have as we search for the Grail.
If you own Krell, the AR gear is definitely a step forward IMHO, based on many hours of experience with both. Krell sounds almost industrial, versus musical, again IMHO. If you want real questions about products call Dave Gordon, Sales Manager at AR, and tell him Larry Staples told you to call. He is an old friend and a great guy who really shoots straight.
Best Regards, and good luck in your search.
Larry R. Staples
Another response to this reaction you gave about mixing gear. In other incarnations of my life I used great tubed preamps with solid state amps. That can be the best of both worlds in some cases, and is a function of input/output compatability. Ask Dave Gordon, as I mentioned earlier, and he can give you the true skinny.
Best.
Larry R. Staples
I have Wp 7s on a VT 100 MK II fed by PS Audio Powerplant 600 w/MW II. It's big and clean. Some say one of the best tube amps. I listen at about 85db and the volume knob rarely above 9AM... 10AM would give 90-95db on some CDs. Don't know 'taper' of the pot behind the knob, but there seems to be plenty of there there even if a logarithmic taper wired for max action early in turn.

Solid State gives greater concussion on bass. Tubes are warmer. Find a dealer if you can... they have many dealers and will demo for you.

Good luck!
Give the Nagra VPA 845's a try on your 7's before you commit to anything. The sound runs in between that of the "high definition" ARC's and burnished euphonics of the C-J's. Dynamics up there with the Krells. A particularly syngergistic match with the Wilsons. I'm using them on Sophias and your speakers are more efficient.
WVICK

Why not go in increments. You haven't specified which Krell you have, but why not go with best of breed. Certainly you will probably miss the control, slam, and overall ease and effortlessness of the Krell if you go to low powered tubes for amps, though you most certainly will make up for it in other areas, like naturalness, rounded more 3 dimensional images, etc. It's been my experience that with more (quality) tubes in your system you will experience a new dimension where you get less ss compression in the soundstage and start to hear more of what your WP7 I'm sure is capable of-rendering very believable images not only in a huge side to side stage but front to back with rounded, full form, and "action" as well as bloom and color. Be careful, since not all tubed equipment is created to the level of the Wilsons.

I have to say I stumbled upon a rather awesome combination, with Krell 750 monoblocks in my system last year, I decided to try out a tube preamp, the VTL 2.5, a rather inexpensive tubed preamp that I didn't expect much from. In fact, it completely and dramatically altered what I was hearing in my room with some very high end SS, and Dynaudio Temptations. In fact, many of the comments from above are helpful in relating what is possible once tubes enter your system.

If you go in steps, you can still benefit by keeping your amps, try a preamp (like ARC REf 2, VTL 7.5 or even 2.5, Hovland, Wyetech, and Atma-Sphere etc.) Obviously,the Krells are great amps and though sometimes not considered true high end are very true to what they are fed. Your WP while efficient have a rather rough impedance curve, so power does not hurt in that application.

Also be careful with certain preamps, like the ARC ref 2MkII which sounds almost like the Krell preamps and has a distinctly solid state signature, with some of the benefits of tubes. If you can keep SS devices out of your preamp, all the better. ARC recently introduced FET's to the input stage of that pre in its latest iteration, so again, tread carefully. Also, beware of very tubey sounding equipment as well. Some of the less well designed gear can tend to the overly warm, noisy, grainy, wooly euphonic, sweet (VTL 2.5, CJ,) while some of the newer more expensive pre's like CJ ART, Atmasphere, and the like have minimized much of the negative potential that tubes can bring to the table. The better tubed pre's sound clear, balanced and natural without being fat, slow and losing detail and speed.

Sorry to ramble. Feel free to email me if you want more specifics, as I've played around with Krell a lot and know where you're coming from. If you go with a tubed preamp and keep the Krell, stick with best of breed and have your cake and eat it too. If you want to go further, then take that step when you're ready.